An ethicist from Oxford is making the argument that taking love-enhancing drugs could save marriages and other long-term relationships from divorce or break-up. Do you agree? Casey Abrams joins Pop Trigger to discuss.
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It is bull shit my grandma and grandpa have been together for72 people don’t have the same idea now days sex is what people calls love but it is more then that and drugs only makes it harder in a relationship
I'm guessing anybody who thinks a relationship can't benefit from incorporating MDMA into their sex life, has likely never incorporated MDMA into their sex
It makes for an absolutely amazing experience... and yes, it's a drug-induced experience... but so what?... humans have been using drugs since the very beginning of our existence... they're a part of our evolution
Let me ask my ex-wife, oh ya, its too late. I divorced her years ago. Joking aside. It could of helped her stop drinking and popping pills. It can help people. Tell your senators that you want MDMA to legal for doctors. My ex-wife might of been helped. I would of done anything to save her, legal or not.
+stonedNcreepy I'm truly sorry that that has happened to you, but it was most likely a predisposition to psychosis that lead to that, which is why mushrooms and other psychedelics should be treated carefully as they can bring on mental issues earlier than they would occur naturally, if someone is particularly prone to them i.e family history, not create them as many people believe. I was only referring to the physical overdose as you pointed out, because by the time you ingested even half the amount needed you wouldn't physically be able to bring yourself to take the rest
+Jesse Barnott You can actually overdose on shrooms- it's that point where your brain goes berserk and you end up having a really bad psychosis because you took too much. My ex-husband did that and it led him to kill himself after a few months of psychosis. So fucking stop acting as if the only kind of overdose that exists is a physical one that leads to instant death.
I personally think divorce-rates are high because they've married too soon, especially in very religions countries where it seems like you don't have premarital sex and don't even try Living together before-hand. That way you basically don't know the person before you get married, especially in cases where you've together for not even a year. But, that might just be from my uppbringing and Ppl around me that actually moved in together and had a few kids before even getting engaged.
Plus, ofc, I agree that getting divorced when having kids isnt the end of the world if you've really tried but you just end of affectionless and fighting all the time. That could just potentially hurt the kids:S
+MissVasques Divorce rates are high because people do not know what they want and we have a lot of freedom. People also change through their experiences. To say that one person should commit to another for eternity might be beautiful if they are in love, but it isn't very realistic for me. I would say waiting until you reach a very mature age (30-40) will correlate with the highest success rate.
Arranged marriages have much lower divorce rates, but the aspect of religion and impressing the family keeps them together IMO.
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+stonedNcreepy well it is scientifically very fucking hard
Your husband may have had problems anyway and anything could have caused it. This topic is obviously close to your heart. So to save you any more hurt this will be my last comment. I stick to my original comment. These people don't know shit and neither do you. Many people have had meaningful experiences.
+Red Ghost Well I think YOU don't know shit. You can actually overdose on shrooms- it's that point where your brain goes berserk and you end up having a really bad psychosis because you took too much. My ex-husband did that and it led him to kill himself after a few months of psychosis. So fucking stop acting as if the only kind of overdose that exists is a physical one that leads to instant death.
4:55 "wouldnt you rather a doctor prescribe you the proper amount?" No, not at all.. when it comes to drug up sells my doctor is the last person i take advice from.. they are running a business, your health comes second to revenue.. so no, i do not like when a doctor prescribes me drugs unless its antibiotics.. when i was a kid we were doing XTC and LSD and no one died.. now all these new prescribed drugs are out and people are dying left nd right.. that said, even if its the same exact drug one might pick up on the street, if a doctor is suggesting it the answer is a default no... until i personally educate myself on exactly what they are prescribing, why and how it fits with me.. because alot of the time its a sale for the money not for your health..
+Jeff You can actually overdose on shrooms- it's that point where your brain goes berserk and you end up having a really bad psychosis because you took too much. My ex-husband did that and it led him to kill himself after a few months of psychosis. So fucking stop acting as if the only kind of overdose that exists is a physical one that leads to instant death.
Doesn't work for me. I have to go to dance! I like best sex with no drugs, alcohol, or anything, because there should be enough chemistry between 2 people. If drugs needed, I guess you need different partner.
I have taken the pure chemicle of ecstasy MDMA and it is wonderful, take a small amount and go have an adventure. You are so aware of everything and much more open and honest to communicating with your partner and the thing is the next day you remember it and can take those lessons from your trip. It could be an excellent way to do couples therapy or work it out and you are much more honest and able to say if something is truly not working out. I think the idea is awesome especially in a controlled environment, no one gets hurt and medical professionals around to help if something goes wrong.
Its obvious the people in this video have never tried the drugs that are being discussed. Don't do drugs kids. They might change your perspective of life in a positive way.
Just stick with alcohol and tobacco and prescription drugs because they are the only ones that are supposedly safe.
+Abby Van Deelen Every drug in moderation can be safe. Alcohol is not the exception just because it is legal and it is the drug that you see everyone else doing.
Tobacco without additives can also be safe in moderation.
Marijuana can be safe in moderation.
MDMA that is pure can be safe in moderation.
Psilocybin mushrooms can be safe in moderation.
Heroin or oxycodon can be safe in moderation.
Every drug can be safe in moderation.
To anyone who says otherwise, they have not objectively looked at this topic.
People need to realize that the drug laws are funded by alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drug companies, all of which has a vested interest in keeping certain drugs illegal for profit and protectionist purposes and not for health/medical reasons.
If the drug laws were based on health/medical reasons, alcohol and tobacco would be illegal. Oxycodon would not be the preferred pain medication for doctors. The frequency of dosages for prescription medications would be far less regular for many medications. I can go on....
If people want to see hipocrisy at its finest, do some research on drug laws. It makes absolutely no sense. Also look up some of the work done by Dr. Carl Hart.
With the internet these days, there should be no reason why these antiquated ideas should be able to prevail.
Hey guys, we filmed this episode over a year and half ago, and I'd like everyone to know that my thoughts on this issue have completely changed. I was in a terrible place in my life when we filmed this segment and I was refusing to get the proper help that I needed (which included going back on prescription drugs, particularly anti-depressant/anti-anxiety). Most of the time, drugs do help, and I think this study COULD potentially save a relationship. A drug like MDMA gives you the ability to experience intimacy while diminishing your insecurities and anxieties. A lot of people take these drugs with their partners to get closer, and most of the time, they do. Though some of my friends have told me crazy stories about taking E with their significant others. One of my guy friends said he took it with his girlfriend and she completely let herself go/went crazy/became her true self and he realized that she was not the person he wanted to be with (which in my opinion, says a lot more about him than her). So yeah, if you're super careful about it, there's nothing wrong with experimenting. Especially if it's part of a controlled experiment :)
It doesnt say more about him than her... she realised, that she is different than she acts and he is suprised about it, nothing more. - now to the drugs: it doesnt save relationships. It just forced your body into a state where its not working against you... in best case. So at the end, you have to safe your relationships... in best case with your partner.
+BREEessrig Happy to hear you changed your views since then. I haven't ever used drugs as a way to get close with my GF, i have how ever used drugs with my GF recreationally, and it has strengthened our bond, by ALLOT.
I'm sorry but MDMA was synthesized accidentally. The scientist was trying to find a compound that would help stop abnormal bleeding. Much to his surprise, the compound had therapeutic properties. Scientists began to test the drug on people with anxiety, PTSD, etc.
Pharmaceutical companies did not research into this drug. It was swept under the rug for some time...it was not created for martial problems...It was not made for couples. It was not why it was made. How the drug is used and researched on now is completely different.
You reap what you sow.
A marriage takes effort, if you want it to work well, you work hard at it.
If you are ready to quit, quit. It is a personal choice.
Don't judge other peoples attempts to perfect their relationships, it is their choice.
When you are young it all sounds so easy. You get to a certain age & you realize how important it is to work with what you have, people are not disposable.
they wouldn't be even discussing the topic this way if one of them had used XTC or MDMA. The effects of these drugs are only temporary and can't make you fall in love(again) with someone. These drugs trigger the body to produce the hormone serotonine that makes you feel happy. when you use it regularly your body hasnt any reserves to produce serotonine and you become despressed, hows that for a relationship booster.
if you take a drug that can make you trip, taking it when you're in a bad place is going to give you a bad trip. both drugs are fun but not if you have bad stuff on your mind. it'll end up feeding of that.
Many would argue with that - sex isn't on the forefront of most peoples' minds when they're rolling. However, if you know this from personal experience and don't test your stuff before taking it, I'd suggest it may be cut with methamphetamine. That stuff can make people want to fuck like rabbits.
Relationships, marriage is more than just love. It's about commitment. That's not to say you should stay in a relationship you're miserable in. You need to draw a line and when that's crossed, leave. But that's not to say you shouldn't try in a relationship. Cause that's what it's all about. Making it work.
+Chuong Do The war on drugs has been going on a lot longer than prison privatization. I think it’s more likely that by keeping drugs illegal, they help keep crazy foreign drug lords wealthy and keep those countries destabilized and dependant. Also, more crime= more cops=more oppression=more submission of the people.
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
― Ayn Rand
+Sarge Izzard The government will give tax payers money to the law enforcement agencies for their efforts in the war on drugs. In order to get money or get more money, the agencies have to show results. They have to arrest more people, incarcerate more people. Keep in mind that the prison system is a business. They get money for KEEPING people incarcerated, rather than to rehabilitate them. We are severely punishing NON-VIOLENT offenders. In some states, you will get a longer sentence for possession with intent to distribute THAN a rapist.
An example of corruption: Please look up the CIA's involvement in using drug money to fund wars in South America. There are plenty of reads.
i feel like if you lost the spark or you're losing interest in your partner, why not both of you take a moment and think back to the things that made you love him or her in the first place, like before you started dating. i mean if you cant think of anything, or you just started dating each other cuz of their looks, then you might've made a mistake, no offense, just trying to help :)
yeah.....sure! ummmm idk much about how the brain works, but if that's true then sure, i say it because ive been in a relationship for a year now and we had that moment of losing the interest or the spark so one night we skyped each other from being away at school and we had a conversation about how each other felt during our first date and then the memories and the feelings came back by accident lol so if it works for us, maybe it can work for y'all
That's interesting because in the beginning of a relationship the brain will release chemicals meant to make you feel good around that person. Creating that magical connection. So after a period of time those chemicals fade, and usually that intense feeling fades. So why not take something that might have a similar effect, releasing chemicals to make you feel good.
There's no such thing as a safe dose of shrooms, they are a natural product so psycotropic lvls will differ from stalk to stalk, thats stupid, and even at the lowest effective dose, mdma is still fairly toxic with rediculous side effect. Just google rhabdomyolosis
It's not "love enhancing" - either he's never taken MDMA, or is trying to describe it for people who have never taken it.
It does something much more special than "love enhancing".
Generally, special chemicals like this, being debated in any court of public opinion, is a disaster, even if the ignorant people discussing them are in favor of them - or have taken them - as they've generally taken them in the disasterous context of the popular approach and assumptions about them.
That said, I'll watch this in a bit, and return to amend this as necessary.
really though, I doubt i'll have anything to say - other than that this type of thing is simply not the business of law enforcement, the DEA, or even the FDA. If it's anyone's business but yours, it's between you and your doctor, or psychiatrist, or other consultant on your personal health and wellness. It's generally offensive that anyone would presume to be able to say that you can't take it, but nearly as offensive that these people, generally ostensibly liberals and on the side of progress, would talk (as they presumably do) about who should be allowed to take it, or under what pretense or pretext.
*edit* oh yeah, jesus christ.... none of these people have a fraction of the qualification to talk on this, much less explain it to others. They're doing damage, if anything. I could write many pages on this, and it just won't do any good here, or for these people - if you're really interested, there's lots of serious information on using psychedelics to better yourself, and it's pretty easily accessable. I'll give you a hint: if you're ready to divorce, happy, contented divorce, is one entirely possible and likely outcome of properly conducted MDMA therapy. It has nothing to do with some sort of synthetic love. In a nutshell, MDMA lets you explore thoughts that might otherwise be painful or difficult to face, with a positive or at least neutral attitude, and you will realize new things about yourself and your attitudes.
You might still love the person but after 20 years you can get bored... MDMA is known to enhance even and accentuate certain feelings, perhaps the feeling you had with them on the "honeymoon" stage of the relationship, you can remember why you fell in love with that person and spike up those feelings again. I don't take illegal drugs but this is something I have thought of before, and I would definitely think it would be a very positive experience for some people.
Omg this is ridiculous... There's a drug out there that "fixes" almost any issue in our society nowadays. These are the same meds that people get dependent on. In my opinion, this is just another way for pharmacists and doctors to make money off of people's misery. Society needs to create optimists not addicts.
this freaked me out. there is this black girl on youtube that had a dream/vision of sketchy people giving free alcohole and extasy in large nigth clubs. and the people who didnt act intoxicated was taken away and never seen again. do you think we gonna live in a age of drugs and loose authority over our person? some peoples visions have really come true. cause extacy changes your personality. people to be in a trance and careless of whats going on is a pluss for the system
If both are used safely and properly, neither will cause long-term harm unless abused with the following exceptions.
1) MDMA can cause death if taken in combination with MAOIs.
2) Incredibly rare mutations can cause Cytochrome P450 enzymes to not be created, and they are vital in the breakdown of MDMA - people with this mutation can suffer liver damage which can lead to death if they take MDMA (usually they'd have to take it multiple times or in high doses).
3) I believe - though cannot recall off the top of my head a study confirming or supporting this - mushrooms, like LSD, can contribute towards schizophrenia in an individual predisposed to the condition.
Divorce is a benefit to society. People that are bad at being married, or don't want to be married . . . shouldn't be married! I think if there is a drug that cuts down on divorce, it will have terrible and unforseen consequences. And I don't think people get divorced for the simple reason that "they fell out of love" there's a hundred other factors. Two people can love each other, yet not be able to stand each other.
The 50% divorce rate stat doesn't actually paint an accurate picture of divorce. That number was just a rounded total of marriages and divorces in one year. The percent changes with age when married, duration of marriage, times remarried, financial situation, upbringing, etc.
Drugs to save a marriage? Why not just lie? It's free.
Can MDMA Save Relationships?
I doubt it because while coming down off MDMA they will probably kill each other to avoid the embarrassment of all the fake-ass crap they said to each other while they were high. Sex is great while high but it ain't no marriage saver.
PS: I'm in love with the redhead. What a perfect face and smile. I wouldn't need no MDMA to express my feelings
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