Researchers try to tease out what’s in dairy that interferes with the health benefits of berries and tea.
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Hello ! Would someone please help me ?
I've been dealing with hyperhidrosis (excessive underarm sweating) since I became vegan, mostly plant based, taht was about a year and half ago; but these last 6 months have been the worst and most notable.
At that time I also stop using conventional deodorants because I read about alluminiums and parabhens so instead I was using natural deodorants like alum.
I already went with two dermatologists but none of them worked.
My last doctor was a great homeopath, but he told me that I'm having a body detox process after all these radical changes (eating habits). That I must just let my body detox itself.
But I'm still worried, how long it's gonna take ? it is really embarrasing, and stressing. I continue sweating at the least effort, even now when I'm stressed I start sweating and sweating.... Has anyone has been through something similar ? Do you found any kind of cure?
For anyone curious, it's unreasonable to assume that this research is extensible to plant milks. Not only are animal milks and plant milks very different, not least because plant "milks" really are just infusions and plant extractions mixed with thickening agents and fortification, but this research specifically pertains to the proteins in dairy milk (presumably casein and the rest) and dairy fats. When it comes to foods which do not contain such dairy sources, I do not see how any of this would be relevant.
Dr. Greyer, you know what all the vegans are thinking? Is it the same for nut milks or soy milk/ yogurt? I would think that the fat in those products might be the culprit for the stunting of absorption. I know there will be no studies for this but could you hypothesize an answer?
Gregor cant stop himself promoting fruit. The conclusion was that there wasn’t much effect so he tries to salvage the story with a blame something argument. Fruit is a source of sugary energy that is ok as part of a the dietary picture but its no miracle. To be healthy you have to eat simple basic foods, exercise, socialize. Dont eat the rich toxic foods or overindulge on sugary, fatty goods. Fruit and nuts are examples of foods where a little is good or ok but a bunch starts to cross the line into indulgence and expensive too. Stop looking for miracles because you wont find them.
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+++ Philip J Fry
I have show to you the main stream reputable universities and institutions that says... meat eating is bad for human health .Υou stubbornly insist to support meat consumption .The sad thing is that you refuse to provide any data to support your opinion.Υοu are biased ,it is the reason you conceal the fact that
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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is the United States' largest organization of food and nutrition professionals, and represents over 100,000 credentialed practitioners — registered dietitian nutritionists, dietetic technicians, registered, and other dietetics professionals holding undergraduate and advanced degrees in nutrition and dietetics. After nearly 100 years as the American Dietetic Association, the organization officially changed its name to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics in 2012.
Holly cow!! :)
Dr Greger, do you think the results would have changed if the milk came from a happy cow from a small farm where they hardly ever use antibiotics and cows are fed only with hay & grass, & other greens, & feed that has no animal derived components? Hard to find but perhaps possible?? I'm not a vegan and still trying to fight for a fair trial for milk and dairy.
I come from a small farm in Poland on which we never used commercial feed & grew our own greens etc.
Looking forward to your reply.
Can anybody tell me where i can find the results of the diagram in 4:30? In the shown paper of 2009 i couldn't find the numbers or graphs. Was it a subsequent study or in the additional info? Thank you :-)
or maybe I'm just blind - not enough antioxidants...
I do my daily oatmeal bowl, and I use homemade soymilk with some of the pulp, and I use sweet potato in there also, with blueberry, strawberry, and banana. a spoon of peanut butter, tablespoon of ground flax, and a quarter cup of walnuts. Also turmeric, and cinnamon. I try to squeeze the daily dozens into that oatmeal bowl and make it a calorie dense bowl since I don't like to eat a lot.
Thank you for this wonderful video. I will share a screenshot of this diagram at 4:30 showing the antioxidant capacity of blood with friends and family who always try to eat more fruit and veggies but use dairy (same goes for eggs and meat) in the same meal.
You scared me there for a minute. Thank goodness I eat (dairy free) Kite Hill Almond Milk Yogurt (plain) with my blueberries! Whole Foods sells a 32 oz. bag of organic frozen blueberries for $8.99. Thanks for the info!
There are more studies done on this subject and results are never the same. Some show milk blocks antioxidant absorbtion, some say no effect, some say it improves absorbtion.
When there are so many different results on the same subject, it's a clear sign that there are other variables at work. Variables that aren't tracked, which leads to conflicting results.
What else is there in dairy that could have this effect?
And another thing, the effect of milk on antioxidants seems to depend on the kind of antioxidant. In some, milk even improves the absorption and function of certain antioxidants.
This is probably all true and I am not advocating dairy consumption (I'm moving toward being vegan). However it is worth nothing the studies did not use whole foods. It is possible that the nutrients are blocked via complexing (eg calcium can complex with polyphenols) and that liquid dairy and powdered blueberries (or liquid extract tea) does this the most. I would hypothesize there could be less of that with say whole blueberries and solid low fat cheese. There still might be some interference and other reasons not to eat dairy but I'm just making a scientific observation/speculation. I would put real money on whole blueberries and low fat cheese having a better effect. Now, if anyone could describe how to create a convincing placebo for that, I would be impressed. In advance, calm down true believers. I am neither doubting the general results nor advocating dairy. However, having keen scientific discernment is much to our benefit - something dr Greger (and unfortunately far too few other people) exhibits quite well (which I can't appreciate enough). That strengthens the case for what appears to be the most scientifically validated long term diet for the general population (although not everyone at all times): a whole foods plant based diet. It is also worth nothing the limitations of the placebo controlled trial in these kinds of studies (the difficulty of creating placebos for real whole foods). There are other kinds of studies that get around this but they yield different kinds of information. It's about looking at all the evidence and literature on balance and making your best assessment, which is kind of a never ending process - the opposite of how research is usually discussed in both the mainstream and alternative media (sigh...). Dr Greger has impressed me though in that respect. You dig?
that moment when u realize that blood pressure reducing medications r shit
...and that moment when u realize that the supposed blood pressure reducing effect one experiences from eating say blueberries is just the same shit like that found in pharma drugs: they mess with the body's chemistry in ways the body (at its current stage) apparently didnt intend to
i mean...why would we want to lower blood pressure if the body in its wisdome changes things on the fly so that everything works just fine...the side effects on pharma drugs r obviously much stronger/worse, but still....why mess with a machine if its running just fine? of course there r times where u can get an (unfair) adventage of taking caffein but saying there is no drawback to these effects is just...not thought very far (regardless of what science says or not.....things that go up must come down!)
oh no, and I was feeling so nice and healthy by having quinoa with toasted seeds, bananas and blueberries together with white coffee for a breakfast :/ I guess I need to save up for the plant milk again
Fantastic, but what happens with goat's milk instead of cow's milk? Is the negative effect the same, similar or totally different? I know that goat's milk causes a different reaction in the body, for example, with skin conditions.
( I eat blueberries almost every day and I'm WFPB. )
When will they come out with a decent plant-based yogurt??? One that works for savory applications, like dips, as well as sweet. They are all horrible unless you fill them with fruit or otherwise mask them with sweet flavors.
What about plant based fat? Does that have a negative effect on nutrient absorption from berries? I typically will make a smoothie with either fresh or frozen organic berries and add coconut flesh for good fat, along with coconut water and a little vanilla extract, as well as some leafy greens, and have a delicious and what I’m thinking is a very nutritious smoothie. Is the problem fat in general, or just dairy-based fat? And what is additionally confusing is that fat is shown to enhance absorption of nutrients from vegetables. So what gives?
Of COURSE the benefits of any raw fruit vegetable or herb is going to be blocked by yogurt. I don't even have to watch the video to know that. Yogurt is D A I R Y. We should be avoiding DAIRY like the plague.Dairy is acid forming and mucus producing and will clog the immune system. There is nothing beneficial about it no matter what Western Medicine or so called "science" who they work for or BIG FOOD says about it. We are FRUGIVORES. Our digestive tracts are designed to digest mostly raw fruits, TENDER leafy greens and a FEW nuts and seeds. The sooner we accept that and start eating the majority of our diets like that, the better off we will all be health wise.
Fruitarians are the least healthy looking out of the already ghastly looking vegan crowd. Aren't half of the fruitarian gurus missing teeth? Where do you people get this nonsense from? I've asked a few fruit heads and they will never tell me what book this frugivore baloney comes from?? Are we all supposed to move to South America then? Not very much fruit grows here in Canada :)
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The enzymes you need to digest milk and other animal proteins are located in the fat so that's why skim milk doesn't digest very well for most people. Gut biome is a big and somewhat new topic, I don't think we know 100% what the optimal condition or ratio is for gut bacteria yet.
Oatmeal makes me gas and weird stomach and hungry, blueberries make me insomniac because antoncyanins cholinesterase inhibition and aspirin like allergenic compound, cinnamon poisoning is horrible only eat ceylon in moderate amounts, flax seeds make me sweat at night and its omega 3 makes brain front lobe overactive so agsin sleepless nights, 500 calories of pain, suffering, vomit and death. Nor every vegan food is 4 everyone or harmles
"Yogurt is made by bacterial fermentation while kefir is made by the fermentation of lactose."
Those are not mutually exclusive. In fact, your explanations are incomplete, as both are the same:
Yogurt is made by BACTERIAL fermentation OF LACTOSE, while kefir is made by the BACTERIAL/YEAST fermentation OF LACTOSE.
I have gotten my boyfriend to eat almost entirely a whole food vegan diet except he refuses to give up yoghurt. I am going to show him this video. Maybe it will be the push he needs. Also, we eat a lot of our berries in a berry/flaxseed/almond milk smoothie. I’m assuming that almond milk should be fine.? Thanks!
*Nøkkenbuer the Negator:* _"Yeah, that "molecular level" claim sounds like bullshit."_
— To the ignoramus' ear, everything sounds like bullshit (except for the actual bullshit, such as what is "natural", what nature "intended", or what is "designed" by evolution):
_«We identified, by immunoblotting, the cross-reactive component from soy as a 30-kD fraction (S30) that could be observed as a single band by both polyclonal antiserum and monoclonal antibodies (Fig. 3). Since these monoclonal antibodies were specific for CM caseins, it can be concluded that the S30 component shares common epitopes with α-, β-, and κ-caseins.»_
— Rozenfeld P _et al._ *"Detection and identification of a soy protein component that cross-reacts with caseins from cow's milk."* _Clin Exp Immunol (2002 Oct) vol. 130 (1) pp. 49-58_ DOI: 10.1046/j.1365-2249.2002.t01-1-01935.x
_«As described above, soy milk does not contain caseins. The question therefore arises, what kind of proteins or other compounds in soy milk could be responsible for the interfering effects with tea? Although the composition of soy milk is complex, β-conglycinin and glycinin represent the majority of soy proteins . A cross-reactivity of milk caseins with soybean glycinin and β-conglycinin has been described . _*_The finding suggests that particular soy proteins might bear structural similarities with milk caseins. Further support is provided by the documented interaction of flavonoids with soy proteins_*_ . Polyphenols bind to proline-rich regions of proteins with subsequent complexation , and _*_glycinin and β-conglycinin contain proline-rich regions_*_ . In conclusion, _*_these results suggest that structurally similar soy proteins in soy milk might mimic the effects of caseins in bovine milk_*_ in terms of blunting beneficial vascular effects of tea.»_
— Lorenz M _et al._ *"Vascular effects of tea are suppressed by soy milk."* _Atherosclerosis (2009 Sep) vol. 206 (1) pp. 31-2_ DOI: 10.1016/j.atherosclerosis.2009.02.001
_«Milk caseins, especially β-casein, can actively interact with most tea catechins, particularly EGCG, forming an association (complex) with a very compact core (Guinee et al. 2004; Jöbstl et al. 2006; Haratifar and Corredig 2014). Precipitation of both β-casein and bovine serum albumin is possible at different concentrations of EGCG (Jöbstl et al. 2006; Pascal et al. 2008). Heratifar and Corredig (2013) reported that EGCG in tea forms complexes with caseins, especially κ-casein, and decreasing EGCG concentration causes rennet gel formation time to increase. Based on these observations, it was proposed that EGCG associates with four proline residues near the hydrolysis point of κ-casein (in the 98–111 sequence of His-Pro-His-Pro-His-Leu-Ser-Phe-Met-Ala-Ile-Pro-Pro-Lys). Finding an alternative to bovine milk to minimize the impact of milk on the health benefits of tea has generated further investigations. Soy-based emulsion beverages were proposed as a substitute since soy does not contain any casein (Ryan and Sutherland 2011). All the five brands of soy beverage used in this study had much higher antioxidant activities than semi-skimmed milk in the absence of tea. Three studies have recently showed that soy beverage can suppress vascular effects (Lorenz et al. 2009), bioavailability (Egert et al. 2013), and total antioxidant activity of tea (Ryan & Sutherland, 2011)._
_Many in vivo studies have been carried out with different results (van het Hof et al. 1998; Henning et al. 2004; Roura et al. 2007; Egert et al. 2013). Egert et al. (2013) reported on the inhibitory effects of skimmed bovine milk, caseinate, and soy beverage on the bioavailability of galloylated catechins from green tea based on the plasma concentrations of tea catechins in 24 non-smoking women (aged 23–32 years) with normal body weight. A negative effect of soy beverage on the antioxidant activity of tea polyphenols in vivo (Lorenz et al. 2009) and in vitro (Ryan & Sutherland, 2011) have been reported. Lorenz et al. (2009) found that 10% plain soy beverage can suppress the vascular antioxidant property of tea, possibly through interactions between proteins, such as β-conglycinin and glycinin, with tea antioxidants. Thus, soy proteins might exert effects similar to bovine milk caseins on the bioavailability and beneficial effects of tea antioxidants (Rawel et al. 2002; Ryan and Sutherland 2011; Egert et al. 2013).»_
— Rashidinejad A _et al._ *"Addition of milk to tea infusions: Helpful or harmful? Evidence from in vitro and in vivo studies on antioxidant properties."* _Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr (2017 Oct 13) vol. 57 (15) pp. 3188-3196_ DOI: 10.1080/10408398.2015.1099515
Nøkkenbuer the Negator Exactly. Even in tea, adding milk eliminates the antioxidant capacity, as the casein binds the flavonoids. Plant milks are just the plant itself, well, some parts of it. So almond milk is almonds, soy milk is soy beans, etc, not some new substance like milk is to cows.
Yeah, that "molecular level" claim sounds like bullshit. Anyway, what inhibited the anthocyanins were the proteins (and fats) in the milk, which I assume is probably casein and whatnot. That is only present in animal milk, not plant milks. Plant milks aren't even milks, anyway, for obvious reasons; they are just juice extracts and infusions mixed with various thickening agents and fortifications. That is not comparable to animal milk in any capacity, so the notion that they would be similar beyond mere nutritional content sounds absurd.
Eat it with coconut yogurt. As tasty, and no blocking (i assume). I make a sherbet daily, blending a cup of frozen blueberries, a banana, a few scoops of coconut yogurt and a small spoon of maple syrup. DELISH.
What about plant milks then? I eat around 5.5 ounces of mixed red fruits every day with soy milk, oats and powdered flaxseed with cinnamon and I'd like to know if I'm throwing away all that antioxidant power.
Here's one that says no big difference in any type of cancer but increased levels of homocysteine among vegetarians and vegans. It was from the same study that showed higher rates of colon cancer in vegetarians but I'm having a hard time finding that part. Sorry for trying to explain the mechanism earlier, I should have known better.
Provide it yourself, I don't have time to help vegans understand reality. You're in a religious cult but vegetables rot in your large intestine, meat doesn't. Ask anyone who's had their large intestine removed, meat looks like gravy when it leaves the small intestine but vegetables come through looking exactly like when you ate them.
I've read the Quran, it's a hideously violent book.
The idea of punishment and torment is found on basically every second page.
This book is easily one to inspire people to commit violence against nonbelievers. Read it yourself, it's quite perplexing.
Philip J Fry
"the more I cut out grains and plants and carbs the better I feel"
So you are saying you are a lion? Well congratulations, but you are a tiny minority. The more whole plants one eats, the better one's health gets, in general. Even paleo/keto people say to eat pounds of non-starchy veggies a day... if those are not plants, I don't know what are.
Philip J Fry
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I love the vegan compassion that pours from your soul but I'm hardly fat. I'm 44 just like Dr Greger but he looks like he could be my dad. People I went to high school with say I look the same. I have all my own hair and none of it is grey, no glasses because I have perfect vision and I probably have about 35 lbs more muscle mass than he does even though we're about the same height and I only lift weights a few times a month. Always followed a fairly carnivorous diet but the more I cut out grains and plants and carbs the better I feel. You should try it sometime, you might be less of a cranky prick.
Imo it seems that there is a chance that soy may have a similar effect to dairy.
so I would avoid it in this case.
MD's like Dr Gregor and Dr Fuhrman promote consuming nuts and or seeds with berries to increase the absorption of phyto-nutrients in those fruits by up to 10x.
All we are adding to the almonds is H2O when consuming Almond milk, so I can't imagine why it would act different than consuming whole almonds with the berries.
There's no direct study but soy proteins suppressed phytonutrients in tea so I assume it will do the same with blueberries.
It's best to wait at least one hour after consuming any milk before eating fruit, also don't add milk to your coffee or tea.
I actually study nutrition and biochemistry as a hobby, so I sure hope I would. Anyway, it's clear you just have rhetoric and not any research. Monsanto is a shitty corporation, but that's partly because virtually _all_ corporations are shitty corporations. You can thank capitalism for that. Only in a world in which the system itself compels entities to pursue profit at any greater cost do problems like environmental catastrophe, irresponsible bioengineering, and industrial toxin production occur at such large and systemic scales.
The fact that a chemical company also produced chemical weapons is unsurprising. That is literally their whole business: the mass manufacture of chemical agents for the purpose of killing, whether they be insects or weeds or otherwise. Welcome to capitalism.
Monsanto isn't even the only gene splicer or GMO producer; you just mention them because they are a convenient bogeyman. Likewise with all the other buzzwords you used. Come back when you actually have research studies supporting your claims and not just fearmongering. And no, links to shoddy Mercola articles or blogs about Chinese magic medicine do not count as research studies. Alternatively, just don't.
I don't care if I'm sterile because I have no interest in having children. In fact, it might save me money since I wouldn't need to pay for a vasectomy.
Nøkkenbuer the Negator
No, you're right. I'm sure Monsanto has your health and safety in mind when they manufactured napalm and agent orange and aspartame and GMO BT corn and Round Up. Totally disregard the fact that kidney disease went up by 6 times in the 2 decades following GMO foods and diabetes went up by 70% in 15 yrs after GMO high fructose corn syrup and never mind the fact that you're probably sterile ....
Who fucking cares if it is GMO? The only people I have ever met who are spooked by GMOs are "muh magic medicine" woo wackaloons who are ideologically hostile to science as an enterprise. Fuck off, Fry, and peddle your New Age crank elsewhere.
As for soy's effects with tea, where is the research for that? Last I recalled, certain phytochemicals in soy have a synergistic effect with the catechins in tea, particularly for colonic health. I wouldn't be very surprised if there was some inhibitory interactions, but I'm not sure what it would be in particular. Regardless, plant "milks" are not really comparable to animal milks, so using dairy as a heuristic for plant milks seems unreasonable to me.
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