Today Dr. Greger and I speak about the state of nutrition in the modern world. I get to pick Dr Greger's brain on saturated fats, dangerous foods, the solution to obesity, as well as a brief insight into his new research on alcohol consumption.
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Look at a pathology book like Robbins and Coltran, Insulin resistance and lack of insulin production are due to fatty acids. Pathologists see this directly which is why they are the only MD with the truth in their books. Clinicians do not have this info.
The guys high voice signifies to me that he is massively in his head and disconnected from his body and thus not truly taped into what he is subjectively experiencing. This is alone makes me not trust him. He also only cites studies, and I don’t think he is looking for truth. Only to confirm his belief that everyone should be vegan. I doubt he’s looked at all the studies that suggest the opposite.
Ultimately everyone is different and will function optimal from a different diet based on genetics and lifestyle and their current state.
One mans medicine is another mans poison.
Some vegans are vibrant as fuck some people on Keto are vibrant as fuck
This guy doesn’t have seem very balanced to me anyway
Some vegans are vibrant as fuck some people on Keto are vibrant as fuck.
This comment is so true and I have no idea why some people refuse to accept that people respond differently to different diet.
Thanks for this comment. Big fat thumbs up from me bro.
All of the ad hominems in the chat...if you do not like him, fine. But do not attack his character because you dislike him spouting scientific, peer-reviewed evidence. Attack his arguments by demonstrating evidence that refutes his claims.
Philip Ghezelbash lol...no I am definitely not describing you Philip. I understand that Dr. Gregor is quite heavily involved and invested in Animal Rights Groups hence his stance is obviously politically motivated and not scientifically based. To my mind and as a fellow Medical Practitioner this makes his viewpoint null and void. This guy is not discussing scientific views but more like some evangelising religious zealot.
Just subbed to your channel Philip and look forward to future video content. I truly believe that either high carb low fat or low carb high fat diets can both correct metabolic in balance, but I think there are better ambassadors for the plant based diet than this guy who obviously has another agenda other than advising on health and nutrition.
This guy fails to acknowledge that we all have genetic and physiological variability and that some people do not thrive on plant based diets. This Dr is what's wrong with medicine over the past few decades with his One Size Fits All approach. Beware of pseudo scientists who profess their views to be totally infallible, this is not science but dogma.
He does not project himself as an intelligent Medical Practitioner with an enquiring mind unlike Practitioners like Jason Fung or Dr Ken Berry. Those guys are a credit to the Medical Profession and scientific community. This Dr to me seems intransigent, arrogant and has a very high opinion of himself.
Keep up the good work Philip.
PS next time you interview this guy make sure he takes his Lithium for his obvious bi-polar disorder.
Apparently he is missing some type of nutrient because he lost all his hair, sugar is the problem just eat like a poor man and exercise every day. Another thing is to supplement with vitamins and minerals because plants 🌱 don’t have them anymore the soil has been depleted since the 50’s. I’m 62 years old and the only problem that I have is that sometimes my blood pressure is a little high according to the doctors because they believe that everybody should be 120 over 80 one size fits all. Eat natural food, exercise and relaxation will do it. The last thing stay away from medical doctors.
I really like Dr. Greger, and I really liked your approach of getting him to explain his understanding of the other side and refute it directly. But he just sort of dismissed it all with a handwave. Which is a shame, and to me is not proof of someone who has really honestly tried to see the other side.
I don't get it why is this guy saying exact opposite of all the new studies? Is this an actual doctor? A medical doctor? Not that that really means he's an expert on nutrition but I don't understand how he's saying this. How is he arguing that fat consumption didn't go down and sugar consumption went up? How is that an argument? People eat less fat in more sugar and obesity skyrocketed for the 40 years since this took place. This guy is spewing out stuff I remember hearing when I was growing up. The whole time the nation was getting fatter and fatter and we couldn't figure out why. And this information on diabetes? He can't be serious. Diabetes is directly related to sugar not fat. And you can reverse Type 2 Diabetes. Type 1 diabetes you are born with. Type 2 diabetes comes when you eat too much sugar and your pancreas shuts down from producing so much insulin. Honestly I think this guy is a quack.
vegans are almost always so angry..
I can see why people are irritated listening to a person who's irritated themselves..
removing an entire food group..?
Poor Phillip is quite composed and seems so taken back by Gregor's attitude
Clearly different than Phillip who appears much healthier at least mentally and perhaps overall
Anthony C More religious babble. Listen man, you cannot convince me that your imaginary god exist by resiting nonsensical gibberish that you were most definitely indoctrinated to say. Provide facts to make me believe not *BELIEVE IN GOD OR YOU SHALL SUFFER* and besides, the discussion here is about veganism and health. So keep your personal attacks about veganism to yourself and return with actual nutritional, peer-reviewed evidence that refutes Dr. Gregor's claims.
101mrcrazyman no actually it is you who are willfully ignorant of God.. to your perceived “convenience”
And it is you who puts yourself in the seat of a “wise man” thinking to understand things you do not and to make absolute claims in your lack of awareness
And it is you who is “attacking”
And you who go out of your way to make a problem
And you who has lack of respect
And thinks that because something is not in your experience it must not be true..
You are in darkness
But have no regard for light
It is foreign to you and you attack those who have it..
It is your problem if the ignorance and mental, spiritual, and moral disease of atheism has infiltrated your person and you choose not to look into things further for your hardened heart but attack what you do not know..
No sir that is your problem and self suicide
You want to remain in darkness and in your pride and apparent “higher place” looking down on those who have been privy to things you have not? You are welcome to do so and cut yourself off from it..
But as Jesus said
Matthew 18:6-7 KJVS
 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Your choice your death
ignore the light and keep your darkness to your own peril
If that is what you wish
you will so have it
It’s your choice
But beware the words of the king
Oh foolish man..
 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.  Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord .  There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
Psalm 14:1-5 KJVS
Anthony C well you believe in an imaginary friend like god so whos the more mentality unstable bud? If you don't like him, fine. But do not attack his character like calling him unhinged as an attempt to refute his points. Attack his science and arguments.
Saturated fats found in butter and coconut oil (myristic acid and lauric acid) play key roles in immune health. Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi.
A fraudulent professional quack saying anything to sell his brand of BS.
Natural saturated fat is NOT bad for you n never was. It's the unnatural man made fats that are damaging, like margarine n hydrogenated n trans-fats !!!
I've already cut down animal protein and saturated fats, but even so any amount of carbohydrate makes me lethargic and with mild symptoms of dementia, even fruits knock me down. Is it that I have to stay without eating? This is preventing me from studying and working normally, What can I do? I NEEdHeLp
I guess no one has to mention the striking bias Dr. Greger is a victim of - it's completely obvious. No legitimate researcher would take his arguments for granted. Additional to that, for a hypothesis to be dismissed, one only needs a sample that does not validate it. Look at populations that thrive on meat only diets or only on animal products. Not to imply a recommendation, but just to show the lack of solid science this discussion promotes...
super person factory famed non organic meat is not healthy which is what all these studies are based on.
Free range organic or wild caught meat is optimal for most polls at different amounts
Although for some Poole being vegan is optimal, it mostly depends on genetics
Philip Ghezelbash nutrition research is very conflicting simply because it is almost impossible to control for variables, unless you are doing a metabolic ward study. And those are very rare. Reason being this person and other people with different biases exploit this lack of rigorousity. Plus, every year there are millions of studies made. Whatever theory you want to push, there is at least 1 study (poorly conducted) to support your claims. If you want to get a better idea of the chaos in research, read Ioannidis' highly quoted study.
Philip, thanks for this line of questioning.
The LCHF movement have some serious scientists and growing data behind it now, validating that their diet can restore insulin sensitivity.
Stephen Phinney, Jeff Volek, Tim Noakes, Peter Brukner are highly reputable figures, and their views cannot be dismissed on the basis of PBWF dogma.
I acknowledge the wealth of data behind PBWF, but I think their explanations for the pathophysiology are outdated, and can easily be discounted by LCHF paradigm.
insulin sensitivity can be restored on a high fat diet....BUT Neal Barnard and Greger etc still maintain that insulin resistance is due to fat blocking insulin signaling intracellularly. This is not an adequate explanation.
Greger's responses on this point indicate he is unfamiliar with studies showing insulin sensitivity restoration and diabetes type 2 resolution with a high fat diet.
Personally, I think the two opposing camps need to lose the zealotry and read all the data, and adjust their reality and education campaigns accordingly. For the two to remain essentially ignorant of the others' research is only causing gross confusion for the masses.
I love Dr Greger’s work and what he is accomplishing in this country and even around the world. But here’s what I’m compelled to comment on. He and some others like him get so excited while they talk that they become very irritating to listen to. So unnecessarily high pitched and combative sounding that I just want to turn them off. And I’m the choir they are preaching to! I want this information and inspiration so I just hold up in spite of the irritation of listening to him. High pitch is the sound of stress and panic in the speaker (or the cryer as it were). In it’s way it both represents and delivers stress. It detracts from the speakers presentation as a optimized representative of their message. And the point presumably is to get beyond the tolerant choir to all the people with even greater need to heal their damage. if I could coach Dr Greger and the others like him, I would teach them to modulate your voice out of nose and throat and bring it downward to project from chest and diaphragm. This is easy to do and is calming to both the speaker and the listener. This will have the effect of empowering the message with greater confidence and calm and help empower the message with the embodiment of it’s truth
Yeah Greger is great but in this video it was a little annoying. The interviewer was much calmer. But I guess Greger has spent 10's of 1000's of hours on this stuff and we all keep believing marketing and bullshit as opposed to the science so it probably annoys him a little haha.. Plus you've gotta be passionate/eccentric to read this many studies??
I don't know who Phillip is,,, but Dr Greger knows his shit,, Phillip is definitely lost,,, doesn't know the data and research. If you follow Greger, he reads the study's, pulls them apart to find out if it was constructed correctly in order to interpret the findings.
Great questions I would have liked to ask Dr. Greger myself if given the chance, and I'm a subscriber of his channel, so thank you for your questions and for posting this video. Even though I could have accurately guessed most of his answers, it's enlightening to hear those answers conversationally and how they're rationalized.
Bravo Philip. You got a giant of nutrition on your channel. These guys know science, disarming 'experts' who spout solely factory farm industry funded studies. Would love for you to get Dr. Garth Davis on your channel.
Great interview.. I'm looking forward to Dr Greger looking deeper regarding spirulina. There are very bad sources, toxic sources, of chlorella and spirulina. But there are also safe and beneficial sources as well. Much like arsenic and other heavy metals in rice, or any plant food, the environment for which it is grown matters greatly. BMAA and spirulina or blue green algae is a problem as well as other toxins and heavy metals which is also an issue with chlorella, rice and all plant foods. If he took the time to examine the CofAs for all the producers he would see the details of this. I hope that he gets to a more micro and macro level of research sometime soon. But I love him nonetheless!
Gregor made statement that just eat whole food plant based and everything should be fine. That is not consistent with the only one diet that helped heart disease. The one diet that helped heart disease does not include fatty foods like nuts, avocado. That is it is far more restrictive.
Tharun Sonti hey Tharun, we meet again, do we need to be as restrictive as Dr. Esselstyn, well that depends on how bad your health condition is that you may not be aware of. No one can do the real exotic testing until they already have symptoms. If you seem to be healthy or young, then a little of the richer foods wont matter much. But for many struggling with issues, even modest deviations can be a problem. Those people struggling need to know precisely the proper idealized track which is a low protein high carbohydrate diet. Gregor likes nuts for instance based on very poor quality research that may reflect positive aspects compared to general populations. But are nuts ideal, no for several reasons yet Gregor promotes them for what I believe are misguided reasons. A little on the richer side is ok only for people who are doing quite well.
look how tired he is on his high starch crap diet
little mr greger suffering the consequences of valueing science and thinking over his senses
im not saying meat is particularly good or even essential at all but high starch diets r certainly worse than a bit of meat for well being, energy levels and proper GI function
dont take my word for it - test around for urself
he is right, it does not matter what a vegan says about meat.. he is a hack
butter is excellent for you
gregor looks like he is in terrible health, balding, pale skin, droopy eyes, sorry anyone that listens to this dribble is a fool
he says do not listen to people that have corporate interests! lol, he works for the humane society! LOLOL
saturated fat and cholesterol! causes heart disease right? science says no it certainly does not
72 studies that say saturated fat is not a problem
Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.
In relation to risks of cardiovascular events, our results do not suggest any benefit from a limited total or saturated fat intake, nor from relatively high intake of unsaturated fat.
The current epidemiological evidence indicates that dietary cholesterol (at current intakes) does not increase the risk of heart disease in healthy individuals. Clinical studies have shown that two thirds or more of the population do not have a considerable increase in plasma cholesterol after a dietary cholesterol challenge for extended periods of time, whereas in those who do respond, both LDL-C and HDL-C increase, and therefore they maintain their LDL-C/HDL-C ratio. Many countries have issued dietary guidelines that do not have recommendations for dietary cholesterol. Given that eggs are a good source of many nutrients, there is a growing awareness about how consumers can incorporate eggs into a healthy diet that meets current food-based dietary recommendations. Thus, there may be a need to reconsider the recommendations for dietary cholesterol for healthy populations.
Further, existing epidemiological data have clearly demonstrated that dietary cholesterol is not correlated with increased risk for CHD. Although numerous clinical studies have shown that dietary cholesterol challenges may increase plasma LDL cholesterol in certain individuals, who are more sensitive to dietary cholesterol (about one-quarter of the population), HDL cholesterol also rises resulting in the maintenance of the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, a key marker of CHD risk.
over 100 studies , this is the science not his humane society funded bullshit..
The methodology of the PURE study you cite in the Lancet was criticised by Harvard academics and others for a number of reason, one of the key ones being, well, it was a global study and most people living on very high carb diets are living in abject poverty i.e. someone in bangladesh who gets almost all of his calories from rice. He also gets way too much sodium, little to no medical care, and well, very little other nutrients. This skews the results horribly.
I made it to 1:30 before I felt the need to pick this guy up, place him on a chair and say " Quit being a jack ass, chill the fuck out and show some fucking respect......... Btw you screech. " Plus he's a flat earth believer?! This guys a fucking dick, not you Phillip. Though I did enjoy the questions you brought up.
The Stoic Body Did it become frustrating speaking with him? I know your very humble and kind but in the case of speaking to someone who's mind numbingly frustrating; how do you deal with that in the moment? As well I'm not sure if you took it wrong; I'm not a flat earth believer...... Its slightly beyond ridiculous.
People like him and MacDougall are giving out false information.. I am not sure if that is intensional or they are just so blinded by their beliefs.. I used to follow starch based diet and it made me gain weight and I was always low in energy.. Keto has changed my life, not just the body but also the mind.. I hope they don't spread these lies anymore..check out this video by Dougall, he says rice and sugar will cure diabetes.. https://youtu.be/1cl2IX94GCI
The Kempner rice diet was pretty amazing. "Dr. Walter Kempner was a pioneer in the use of diet to treat life-threatening chronic disease, utilizing a diet of mostly rice and fruit to cure malignant hypertension and reverse heart and kidney failure." --> see this video walking through the research papers: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/kempner-rice-diet-whipping-us-into-shape/
Great content Phillip, my biggest problem with Gregor is he holds correlation and consensus to the highest standard. He’s coming off as a conspiracy theorist. Every PhD who disagrees is a shill. Hard to win people to your side like that.
He's read 10's of 1000's of research papers with his organisation and is becoming quite famous for his work. I think he knows more than almost anyone out there haha.. The longest living populations in the world (Blue Zones) are 95%+ plant based for example.. The science is clear. The public is confused as usual. The diet good for us and our health is also good for the planet and animals. Funny that.. youtube.com/watch?v=ff40YiMmVkU
Does anyone else see what philips doing here? It's brilliant. Everyone's channels are always "yeah keto is awesome" or yeah "veganism is awesome" philip has his own beliefs obviously, but he's bringing on everyone, I think that's so cool.
Anonymous Panda me too. It's insightful to hear experts speak on the matter regardless of view. Opinions, studies, evidence, advice and a little bit of debate. It's certainly for the commentsflowing on this video. The only disappointing point is the insulting comments some people have made which are literally poking funat Dr Greger's mannerisms
these comments show how childish people are... he's not intelligent he thinks he is? no, you just dont like hearing the inconvenient truth and want to form this dumb circle-jerk of butthurt people to lean on each other as a way of dismissing him
Awesome video! I’m a bit disappointed at the amount of people in the comments that don’t value science. They accuse of Greger of cherry picking science, for example, but they don’t provide a specific example with proof...
Edit: also, yes, the guy is a bit annoying. I was frustrated at how he constantly interrupted Phillip. But that has nothing to do with his arguments and knowledge!
Tharun Sonti I don't necessarily think that all those comments are from "uneducated" people, but perhaps they are close-minded and don't want to believe the truth, perhaps they have never conducted a scientific study, read a journal, completed research etc. so do not appreciate it fully. Thankfully not evetyone is like that and for those that are...It's never too late to change 😊
I think it's stupid that people are saying that Greger is weird and annoying. I happen to enjoy his corny humor and his lively personality. Oh and he happens to actually know how to read scientific medical papers and determine their credibility based on funding and the types and designs of the studies, so he has that going for him. Just sayin. When you know better, do better. No hate to nonvegans. Most of my friends are nonvegans lol
Michael Greger is terrible at interpreting and analyzing the scientific literature. Absolutely terrible. Behind his condescending super-brain persona is a enormous lack of understanding how to read the literature. It is ironic, because that is what he pushes as his great strength. I can pick out huge flaws in his lectures or rants on his youtube videos- almost every video is off in the reporting of and understanding of the literature. It really seems that ideology is behind Gregers mission, not science. No offense, but this is pretty obvious to a person who knows how to interpret and read the literature. Only 5-10% of the medical literature has valid conclusions. Greger quotes articles that are absolutely not in that 5-10%.
Funny because the longest living populations in the world (Blue Zones) are 95%+ plant based for example.. The science is clear. The public is confused as usual. The diet good for us and our health is also good for the planet. Funny that.. nutritionfacts.org/video/the-okinawa-diet-living-to-100/
Quinten Hodson why act professional when the subject is so serious and the host is trying to pry into the mind of Dr.Greger with absurdly unrelated questions with little respect for the man as a doctor.
Vegan Edge oh, everybody cares what others think of him.
You’d wonder what Stoics would think about your life philosophy..
Electing to publicly promote yourself as a vegan and mentionining it when nobody asked you looks like you are in need of attention.
Are you one of the lonely vegans?
He has other videos where his pitch isn't all over the place and he isn't walking around while talking and so on.. Here is his most watched talk with 1.5 million+ views.. http://www.nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death -> “Death in America is largely a foodborne illness. Focusing on studies published just over the last year in peer-reviewed scientific medical journals, Dr. Greger offers practical advice on how best to feed ourselves and our families to prevent, treat, and even reverse many of the top 15 killers in the United States.“
Honestly, that is too bad... I'm sorry to hear it. I promise you, he does grow on you over time (I found him annoying initially too), but I quickly realized that this man takes ZERO dollars for the thousands of hours he devotes to our health each month. He's blatantly honest and never feeds you B.S. to fuel an agenda. He didn't slap his face on fancy products at Whole Foods, and donates every penny earned by his book. He truly gives a crap about our health and is so generous with his time and knowledge. If you can just get past your initial reaction and keep all of the above (and more) in mind, I guarantee you, you will benefit tremendously. The man saves lives, and he is honestly on your side.
One size does not fit all. I do enjoy eating plant based food and low fat. Eating low sugar and low fat helps with my weight loss. I also enjoy eating eggs and fish. I eat within my calories, what I like and what I can do for life. I cycle animal products in and out of my eating plan. Im waiting for a women s perspective and not one sided like this interview.
I look to the longest living populations in the world (Blue Zones) for inspiration - they're 95%+ plant based. The science is clear even if the public is confused as usual thanks to the marketing efforts of companies. Industry keeps profiting while people + animals die and the environmental destruction continues.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff40YiMmVkU
ElderSnake90 personal attacks and no arguments against his claim. There's not really much to argue. His statements are backed with mountains of evidence that he has been studying since before he was a man. My guess is you call him unhinged because you find him irritating (which is ok), or can't stand what he talks about. Refute his claims or keep the personal attacks to yourself yeah?
The Stoic Body Take salt for example. If you sit around all day every day with practically no exercise, basically the American way of life (me for a good 30 years) any added salt will definitely screw up your blood pressure. If you get some decent exercise, you are going to need more salt, and you can have serious issues from lack of salt.
There are people all around the world who thrive on every kind of diet you can imagine, from straight seal fat, to plain rice. Any diet that anyone ever ate has some doctor who has absolute proof that it will kill you.
I think one of the biggest factors that fits a diet to a population will turn out to be the amount and type of activity of the group. I find that different types of exercise make me crave different foods.
He's read 10's of 1000's of research papers with his organisation and is becoming quite famous for his work. The longest living populations in the world (Blue Zones) are 95%+ plant based for example.. Eating mostly fruits, vegetables, whole grains and legumes/beans.. The science is clear. The public is confused as usual. The diet good for us and our health is also good for the planet and animals. Funny that.. youtube.com/watch?v=ff40YiMmVkU
You're dumb. People live better and longer on plants than animals. It just makes sense. Westerners, more specifically Americans, are just stupid because they think it's funny to live unhealthy lives. #MORONS!!!
Funny because the longest living populations in the world (Blue Zones) are 95%+ plant based for example.. The science is clear. The public is confused as usual. The diet good for us and our health is also good for the planet and animals. Funny that.. youtube.com/watch?v=ff40YiMmVkU
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