Hank tells the story of the mysterious star known as "Methuseleh," and why scientists think that it is the oldest known star in the universe.
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And yet another reason to believe that we are just applying what we call science to things and calling it fact. Time and again scientist have been proven wrong on so many things. But then they come up with some kind of magical science and math that's no better than religion . Stop wasting money and get us into space . Then we can do some real exploring .
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Wow! Scientists are missing something big. The "known" universe is 13.7 billion years old, but the known universe is probably not the entire universe. If one were to study the voids forming all through space one would discover that there are stubborn galaxies that don't get ejected. If our planet was in one of these galaxies in the Local Void, up until the sixties, that tiny galaxy cluster would have been the entire known universe to us. There is also another factor- there seems to be some sort gravity pulling on our universe from outside of the black void surrounding our universe. That points to something beyond the void, possibly the Old Universe. I surmise that the Big Bang occurred within a void like the Local or Bootes void, only much larger, and old Methuselah is a stubborn old remnant of the old universe that was once here and was pushed and pulled out of the sector of space so we could come to be. I'm terrible at math, so I simply can't do those amazing equations that would be able to prove this. I hope this makes sense.
Just goes to show that most of what we think we know is just a bunch of guesses. The star being older than the universe is a fine example of this. The star could be younger and/or the universe could be older.
I am already suspicious that they are wrong about the amount of mass in the universe. That they are just guessing. This don't help my suspicions any.
who ever said there wasn't already other stuff somewhere else when the big bang happened? big bang does not equal universe. the first thing you can mathematically calculate does not equal the first thing that happened.
What if it is a star left over from a previous universe? What if that Universe collapsed into a small space, and what we refer to the "Big Bang" was the result of the expansion,but during this collapse and expansion, certain celestial bodies survived? Would that even be possible?
Am I the only one who thinks that the universe existed always and never just "happened"? It's hard to explain but seriously, if people say Big Bang did it, then what came before Big Bang? Personally, I don't believe in the Big Bang theory, I think the universe always existed
if our universe were to be a simulation, maybe it's a variable to test object creation that was forgotten to be deleted when the while loop for the universe creation algorithm was implemented. Happens to me all the time
Oldest in the 'study-able' universe. While we can observe stars much further away, one we leave our galactic neighborhood, making out individual stars becomes much more difficult. There is a point where we can barely make out individual galaxies, so studying the age of individual stars in these galaxies is effectively impossible with current technology.
maybe the universe is much older than we say it is. it feels a little too coincidental that our little observable segment of the universe houses one of the oldest stars out of the entire infinite universe.
So it existed before everything else. That would make it the first, and it being so old and not hearing anyone talk of it going nova that would make it a very unique star, if a star at all. Like the only one of its kind, the first and the last, for no other is like it. Its gravity well was the first gravitational influence upon the cosmos. A star or The First and The Last. The Alpha and Omega.
For God is an everlasting consuming fire. hebrews 12;29
This shows very clearly how wrong most of the scientists assumptions and following calculations are wrong. because it's actually mostly assumptions and NOT facts. Some of these animations about universe with the Big bang, black holes, Dark matter/energy, Neuron starts, etc etc has been shown so often that even some scientists started to believe in them as facts. NONE of it has been scientifically proven. It's all products of mathemagic where the math is created to conform the hypotheses or assumptions.
We don't even know what our closes objects, the comets, are made of, as NASA and ESA had to acknowledge. Or how solar systems are formed as the KEPLER telescope keeps finding solar systems that defies the standard model in every possible way.
So when LIGO suddenly says they have managed to measure the gravitational waves from the last half second of TWO colliding black holes, some 1,5 billion light years away, it all sounds like fantasy. But it's great for LIGO. I mean they did not find ANYTHING in TWO decades and the grant money was drying up, and suddenly EUREKA.
another possibility is that for whatever reason it was in a region of space where time floated differently. We know that there is a relation between the speed at which it travels, the size of a gravity well, and the rate of time. since this star is moving faster than other stars in this galaxy it stands to reason that its original Galaxy had more angular momentum and therefore time moved slower. it may have been an extremely small difference, but when you are essentially counting the age of the universe, those small differences add up. Based on this it doesn't actually have to be as old as the universe for it to be older than the universe, and at the same time it's possible first star that appears to be as old as the universe to actually be pretty young. A black hole, for example, last for a very long time from our perspective, but from its own perspective it's a really fast implosion followed by a really fast explosion. it's just that the time-dilation effect is so significant that we don't see it.
based on this it might not be the oldest star in the universe, or it might be. Well, assuming it still exists. it does take time for news to reach us. We're just looking at what it used to look like it.
I wish he hadn't resorted to "science is wrong" sensationalism, which just fuels pseudoscience and religious nonsense.
No qualified astrophysicist has ever claimed that our models of stellar structure and evolution are 100% accurate. What makes the scientific method superior to religion and pseudoscience is that scientists continually adjust their theories and hypotheses in line with the most up-to-date empirical evidence.
Is it possible this was formed by a collision? A younger star colliding with a older star renewing it's source of Hydrogen etc, and messing with it's balance of products. It would be incredibly rare, but even if it only happens once, there are billions upon billions of times when it hasn't happened.
So basically , we know that the universe formed due to the BIG BANG . But where did the matter come from before the big bang ? So the scientists could only calcute until the big bang and no kne knows what was before this. So the star may be really old or the universe before big bang made change.
I have no proof either way, but when you hear scientists say a hypothesis or a theory is set in stone, you can almost guarantee they are wrong. As was the case with all the other estimates for the age of the universe.
+Jaymax i, As many of my colleagues prescribe to information theory, which is a variance of holographic theory where dimensional information, dx, dt,are information in a non dimensional universe. We have already seen proofs in the form of "Spooky action at a distance and dimensional particle assignment (entanglement teleportation, Dr. Zweiger's work). In this context, all events (past present and future,,, in all realms or outcome tracks) exist in a non temperal, non spatial universe where space, time and spin (event, action,energy) Are only apparent to an observer when they are involved in making an interpretation of that information point. The Big Bang is an event that never had a start or an end but is only thermal information that exists in a non dimensional singularity of infinite information. I am in the process of writing a book based on this theory,,, based on my disorientation thesis from 2006.
What if that star is really older then the universe. I have two different explanations about this (I'm not a scientist though but I like to fantasize about possibilities): 1. An old universe collapsed and a new universe exist out of it and that star survived the collapse.
2. It went trough a portal from our universe connected with an other universe.
Souperpie84 probably is. The age we have measured the universe to be is, mostly, based on how far we can see. And the universe expands faster than light.. so there is light out there we haven't seen yet and probably never will.
Saghy Boelijn the first theory is based on the theory of the "big bounce" (which is highly considered), but your second theory is based on the "multiverse" theory, which doesn't have any trace of its existence
TheQuinker it probably wasn't a reference to the star, it's more likely a reference to the biblical character Methuselah. His reported age is the highest of anyone in the Bible. That is where the star gets its name.
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