Should the government mandate that everyone goes to church? Should atheists be taxed if they don't attend? Does the Christian Bible claim all gay people will die? Comedians Jimmy Dore, Frank Conniff (Mystery Science Theater 3000), and Steve Rosenfield (former Daily Show writer) break it down on The Jimmy Dore show.
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Debunk the myths! The common believe that religion helps you live longer was debunked in the eight-decade-long study, in contrast to the results the religious publish that are not scientifically valid!
"Religious people live longer, so don’t miss religious services. (Myth!)"
Nor are the religous people healthier!
This man is saying the government should FORCE you to go to church, tax you if you don't, but also believes taxation is government corruption, and has Declaration of Independence wallpaper? Isn't there something in the Bible about "beware ye hypocrites"?
we know that going to church is good for u and your health. no the fuck we don't know that, what study he seen that in. is he serious we can't make them go to church but u would suggest to make us pay taxes for not going I think that would defeat the purpose for separation of Church and State.
This is actually a great ideea! Atheism makes people unhealthy, therefore all people that are currently ill are atheists by asociation! Therefore they should all go to church to get better, and if the church does'nt heal them all, we can once and for all forever dismantle church and religion for the fking fraud and deception they really are. Here is a good way for religion to die for good. Brilliant ideea, I suggest starting to tax right away! Priests, prepare your healing prayers, lots of ill people coming your way! (You stupid fucks)!
um... this HAS to be an instance of "trolling"... no moderately intelligent person in our society is so completely ignorant of how a democracy with a Bill of Rights and Constitution to keep things under check, actually works. I think there is a concept called "willful ignorance" in operation here - either that or just plain dishonesty.
I recently took a religious anthropology class and the statistics actually say that those who are firm in their beliefs Choice are healthier. that to say those who firmly believe they are atheist or those who firmly believe they're Christian are healthier than those who aren't sure what they are. surveys say when people are asked about their health
Atheists are already taxed and we have to subsidize the churches even if we don't agree with them. They can believe any crazy thing they want but it is time we start taxing churches. Think of all the hungry people we could feed instead of the money being used to build multi-million megachurches which helps no one. It is time we start taxing these religious leeches that are further weakening our already fragile economy.
The idiot wants to tax atheist for not going to church with the theory that they would be healthier by going to church. WHY NOT tax anyone who is unhealthy no matter the cause. If the idiot is truly worried about the health of the country than tax all unhealthy people. Mental health should also be included. Just look at how many mentally ill have done mass shootings lately.
Has anyone been to a Cracker Barrel after a Baptist service let out?? More heavy people than you can shake a fork at! (I used to be baptist; thank god I left that faith 20 years ago. I'm a Witch and a heavy gal.)
Why do christians seek live saving medical treatment when they have terminal diseases - that must be going against the will of god just as much as preventing human sperm having a party with a condom. Also, christians don't seem too bothered when severely mentally ill people are sterilised! Lets have a tax on christians going to church, and so by causing unnecessary pollution by making pointless journeys.
People who worry all the time tend to get sick more often. Religious people worry all the time, and for some reason they need medical care alot more then atheists. Atheists don't worry that much, so naturally they don't need as much medical care. Religious people also get confused more often and do stupid things, wich explains why alot of religious people are in jail. Yes I know alot of people become religious in jail and come out hardcore muslims or christians. But you forget they weren't atheists when they went to jail. They came from religious families and themselves believed in god. They just didn't care when they fucked up and got caught. So we should sue every religion for being the main cause for people's misery.
+michael underdown on the bright side - can you imagine how awesome the atheist 'churches' would be? Choose your sacrament - weed or alcohol. Sermons on the latest science. fuck baptism - regular swimming. We would win so many converts from how cool are 'services' were the law would last about 10 minutes.
Religious people wonder why they are disrespected, disliked, hated and pushed down? Because they earned it... What goes around comes around. The age of cultism is dieing. Soon religions will be banned or made to pay a fine for ignorantly corrupting humanity and preaches put in jail where they should be.
You're probably right, the 3000 year old chain of ignorance wont end anytime soon. Ignorantly raised wishful adults reteach their fantasies to their children so they will be ignorant and wishful too. It's child abuse but nobody seems to care. On and on it continues...
+Cindy I fear that you greatly underestimate the power of superstition. Religion has the staying power of a porn star on viagra, and has enough thoroughly brainwashed followers clinging to their beliefs that it will be difficult to release them from their fantasies, even from their cold, dead hands.
ode to agnostics....
we sit and watch, astride the fence,
but all to no avail,
for either side, they make no sense'
with myths they do regale,
they tell us truth is in their book,
for anyone to see,
just come on down and take a look
it's your's, and it's for free!
the only thing you have to do,
is choose the truth we claim,
but which is which?, we have no clue
each messing with our brain,
so here we sit and ponder if,
perhaps it's all joke ?
ah, yes, I caught a little whiff
I think they're blowing smoke!
but on they press, convinced they're right,
to warn us of our fate,
each argument is watertight
our pain will not abate,
so spin a coin, the only choice
it goes into the air
to get it right, we can rejoice
to get it wrong, despair,
with baited breath, we wait to see,
the random choice we made
but either way, it seems to me
no outcome, till we're laid,
'cos truth remains behind the veil
and no-one knows for sure
forget about the mystic tale,
one God almighty bore!
+Hellsong89 I agree we need to find a viable alternative to religion that enables people to get together. Chat and sing together and make a community without the bullshit that goes with it. It is up to us liberal atheists to make that alternative
+petereuk52 Lets put it this way... religion is the problem and allways has been. Church and pastors are just extension of that. Theres nothing positive about it, what could not be accomplished with normal get together. Its poor argument for religion to say "we are just having chat and learning". Religion never has been about learning, its just brainwashing to believe in fairy tail with out evidence and that does not accomplish anything positive. People just believe blindly the "holy man" who spouts nonsense, mixed with his own views and they eat it all up.
Any mentally stable person, with critical thinking skills would go "WTF?!" when other person starts talking about talking burning bushes, talking 4 leg snakes, unicorns, dragons, giants etc bullshit in bible. Religion just hinders critical thinking and what worse force this to others and even little kids who dont know any better.
As i said, you can sing, dance, chat and be with people with out church.
+Hellsong89 The only benfit for Religion of any type, for me at least, has been that it give people a chance to get together. Sings and chat. Also good to learn moral lessons or hear the point of view of others. The problem is not with the religion but with the church. Get a poor minister or pastor and it all goes nasty very quickly. I would love to visit a Quaker house or listen to soul church singers like Aretha Franklin and others who started to sing in church. I do not believe in the religion or the bible but the singing is great.
+petereuk52 Actually this guy has one point in there. The ebony? churches, you know the singing, dancing, hallelujah and rock and roll sermons, seem kinda good exercise, even thought looking at them.. hell i would lock them all up for being mentally unstable way they have spiritual orgasms or what the fuck that is they have!? :D That might be only actual health benefit from church, but mental damages are far greater than physical health benefits.
I really hope that guy was joking about the tax, but he doesn't seem to be. He realizes he's living in a country where we would first need to take the U.S. Constitution and burn it, right? Also, the U.S. was originally founded on the idea of freedom of/from religion, which means church and government should stay out of each others affairs. That being said, the U.S. is far from getting there. I'm glad I live in Canada.
The government can´t mandate churchgoings. That´s like when the Soviets tried to force indoctrination on people by punishing families who failed to raise their children as atheists.......governments need to get realistic.
lolol if they started taxing not going to church, sure I would go, but I would ask soooo many questions, and bring in science books for sunday debates, and those days they bring food in, I would be all over that! drink all the wine, eat all the crackers, kinda sounds fun. the part they start singing I would start singing lady gaga, doodle all over the bibles when I get bored, not like they have to pay taxes anyways.
this is from groups who pay taxes, L Ron hubbard was right about one thing if you want to get rich start a religion.religious institutions should have no say in government we should not give tax exemption just because of a mental aberration.
When I first moved into my home, my neighbor was about to turn 101 y/o. He was a very active and energetic old man who was also an atheist and had not attended a church in over 60 years. Sadly, he died shortly before his 102nd B-day. How did he die? He got hit by a car while trying to jog across the street. The driver of the car was a Christian who was not paying attention, as he was leaving the church parking lot!
I'd say that makes for a good argument for not going anywhere near a church!
I did not make that up. He was a sweet old man and that was exactly how he died. Mind you, he did not die immediately. He died a couple days later, in the hospital. As for that, so-called, "Christian," who killed him... not once did he go to the hospital or even offer any sort of condolences.
We had legislation in England making it more or less compulsory to go to church; it stayed on the statute book for many centuries although it has now been abandoned (I think). A lot of public positions had it as a requirement that people were going to the Church of England regularly, this lead to some problems with people going to the C of E when in fact they were Catholics. The system broke down effectively when there was mass migration of Catholic Irish into England in the 19th century. However, I don't think they actually managed to tax anyone, and of course in those days nobody cared about peoples' health very much.
i think the crap bag, fascist, immoral, racist, bigoted, arrogant,, biased, egotistical church should have a "stupid" tax placed upon it! also the worthless christian and money laundering catholic church is having the us govt subsidize its "giving to charity" if you can even call it that. http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/the-outrageous-subsidies-to-religion-in-america/ and http://www.newsweek.com/are-churches-making-america-poor-243734
WHAT THE FUCK? Its CHURCHES who should have their exemption taken away and start paying taxes you fucking idiot. If churches paid their FAIR share it would generate somewhere between 35 to 85 BILLION dollars. They could STILL do charity missions and help the poor etc.
+Isaac Knott And that is working?.. Yeaaaah riiiiight! Ou sorry yes its the pastors who take money from church (with pay check or with out), buy nice Lamborghini and then lobby the politics, its definitely not same thing....:D
Religion..best business there is...
Tell the moron that as an atheist, I already survived jehovas witnesses, a pancreatic cancer 8 years ago and yet no diabetes, an 80 ft fall on landslide rocks, few car crashes not due to me; my morality saved me from A.I.D.S. and other sexual transmissible diseases and my blood tests are as good as the ones of a new borned healthy baby. Can he say the same about the trash bag wich contains his rotten entrails?
I will forse belivers to renaunce to technology, move on a cherriot pulled by a donkey, avoid money and practice exchange. I will forbid doctors to cure belivers and force them to ask to sister Mariateresa her medical care. Put in jail all belivers who attempt to win against death as they mast accept it as "god will" like any other being on earth. exetra, exetera.
+giorgio bosoni Dont forget mixing two fabrics, not eating shellfish etc laws in bible. I think in America there is just minority of true Christians who go by the book... like Westboro Baptist Church. Rest are just wana be Christians picking and choosing parts they like and thinking some parts dont seem right so they dont follow them..
Now its said that bible is word of "God", so if person thinks that bible has something wrong, dosent that make him think "God" is wrong? Who gave person right to interpret Gods rules? If the word of God says something, omnipotent God would write it so it does no need second guessing, right? Or is "God" not omnipotent? If his not omnipotent, then his not a "God" by definition.... what is actually case if looking just the genesis chapter..-.-
So be Christian and like just as its written in bible following all the laws, or dont call you self a believer if you dont fallow what you "God" is telling you to do.
If they say the bible is just man made and that is not the "Gods" word then person is saying they dont have absolutely no grounds to believe in such entity as that was theyr only "evidence" towards it. Only book that is actually telling about "God". If that is not holy or something, then its just story book from old days, just what we have said all along. With out that "evidence" they could just as well talk about flying unicorns shitting world as it is and it would weight much as theyr current story.
Same apply into Islam. The moderate Muslim is actually beheading people or at least supports it. These are not just "extremist". Wana be Muslims just want to call them that so "theyr" fan boy religion would look like religion of love and peace, when they them self don follow commands of quran and Allah.
When the "extremist"= actual believers are in low numbers it much easyer get these mothers of bad ideas disappear with public opinion, when they lose theyr power base.
I think this is only way to get this bullshit to end for good. With religions, we dont have progress and we need that to get aside our petty differences.
That guy has a good point is no difference than the Obama Care. Obama Care taxes me for not getting insurance or taxes me for someone else is lack of insurance. I think this clip was just tongue and cheek making fun of Obama Care's he wasn't serious. Unlike Obama Care we are living with that socialist totalitarian program. I don't know about the other clips are just stupid to even talk about but the first clip had a point.
I don't get why you socialist want a totalitarian society. I don't want the federal government laws to do anything other than protect me from external forces like (Mexico, Middle East, Chinese hackers or any foreign powers). I have the local government to boss me around already. Why would anyone want this federal side to also boss them around without recourse. Perhaps it's in the people's nature to want to be controlled like puppets makes them feel secure reminds me of the religious people they need that god like socialist need that boot on their neck. Only later they whine after the people in power use the boot they put there in the first place.
The only reason places of worship even get a tax break is because they have become the governments bitches. If you want to actually practice religion at home and have gatherings there you get considered a cult and government cracks down on you. Everyone pays taxes regardless of their beliefs.
lol Atheist could have some fun going to church dressed as Satan or a reaper. will be some first amendment issues. mmm as long as the law or rule is not created by congress then it might well be constitutional. Nothing in the first amendment that forbids forcing everybody to become Christian unless it involves congress. It would have to be left up to the states and counties.
That guy is in favor of mandating church but not healthcare? So let me get this straight, church= good health but healthcare doesn't= good health? Thus it's ok for big government to mandate church, but never ok for that communist black president to mandate healthcare.
make fun of man and his many attempts to organize God's single-minded mission to reconcile mankind to himself; I do. but when you realize it--usually when you are in real trouble--, it is still Jesus' name that will rescue you from an eternity without God and his love and protection in it. One should not strike the hand that feeds them; don't ridicule/make fun of the Messiah that will and wants to save you. He has a great sense of humor; after all, he created you. Just remember who he is, the Creator, and who you are, the creature.
I am sure glad I don't live in a middle-eastern country where the al-qaeda religious majority force a religion tax (called'Jiziya' in Arabic) on the Christian and jewish minority for not believing as they do. Oh crap they're talking about doing that in the US!! IS this guy American al-Qaeda or something?
i would probably have a better idea of what he's saying if there was any sauce on this, but it sounds like he's just talking about obamacare using religion as a extreme version of government mandating. it's a valid argument though, if some study says that it's factual to do something, does the government have the power to make them do it?
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LOL! Good idea. The tax for NOT going to church should be a negative amount, to be paid as a check for about minimum wage to each person who manages to go without church, as a reward for them letting other people have all of the church's attention. They can pay for it out of the tax on being stupid that they then would collect from people who DO go to church. :)
+Th' kaal Yeah, that would work. Better yet, as long as their parents insist on making sure their kids are dumbed down by religion, just fine them to cover the damage they're doing to society. No need to worry about WHICH religion they dumb them down with. Just that they're doing it at all. No, seriously though, it's all social experiments, and I don't have any problem with it... but I do feel awfully sorry for the children. Especially after they grow up.
Yes, I'm well aware of the reality of the situation. Laws have been passed allowing religious people to divert much of what they would otherwise pay in taxes to their church, which itself is not taxed, leaving everyone else to pay higher taxes to make up for that lack. Atheists are already taxed for other people going to church. Now some nut case wants to tax them as well for not attending church themselves. I just wanted to highlight how preposterous it was. Thanks.
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