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Spray foam insulation nightmare: What can happen if it's not installed correctly (CBC Marketplace)

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Originally broadcast October 25, 2013 Canadians are installing spray foam insulation in their homes in ever-expanding numbers. It’s sold as energy-efficient, easy-to-apply solution, but when the job goes wrong, it can be a nightmare for homeowners. Tom Harrington takes you inside the walls and up into the attic to explore a home renovation horror story, a foul-smelling foam job that’s driven a family from its home. More from CBC Marketplace, Canada's top consumer affairs show: Watch episodes online at http://cbc.ca/marketplace Like us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/cbcmarketplace Talk to us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cbcmarketplace Follow our hosts @cbctom and @cbcerica
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happy cats (1 день назад)
What are the long-term effects on children being exposed  to this crying woman, stop it!
Robert Leinen (1 день назад)
Why would you use spray foam oh because it's a cheap way to go. Always remember you get what you pay for personally I wouldn't pay someone to do something I could do myself and everyone in that video looks pretty young enough to get up there and do their own insulation work provided you're using traditional R-13 insulation I'm in my fifties and I just did Mine by myself
mark kaupas (1 день назад)
I learned a lot about spray foam after working with it for years the main 2 causes of foam problems is spraying to much foam at a time especially when it is cold and the dreaded crossover. Crossover occurs when the 2 different parts of the liquid foam is not mixed at a 50/50 ratio as it leaves the end of the sprayer. Their are a couple of things that can cause this which I will not get into much detail because I could write a book on problems with spray foam. The main problem I have seen that is the worst case scenario is when the two lines caring the two different liquids end up with different pressures allowing one part of the liquid to enter across the interior chamber of the gun and go up the other line. This will cause a restriction of the one line. A technician will clean out the mess in the gun and continue on spraying. Now because of the restriction on one line the foam is not mixed at the 50/50 ratio when it is sprayed thus it will never cure properly and will out gas for years. The proper thing to do is to replace the 10 to 20 feet of hose which is called a whip line to restore equal pressure to both sides. The whip line is like a extra section of garden hose that can be unscrewed and thrown away. When a crossover occurs it usually doesn't travel any further past the whip line which leaves the rest of the line in good condition. So proper cleaning of the spray gun and replacing the whip line will put you back into business. The foam also has to be heated in cold weather to a certain temperature before spraying for a good cure. One last thing, when foam is stored it needs to be stored above a certain temperature so the properties of the chemicals don't break down.
David Goans (1 день назад)
I hope no one hires this guy I believe he's a liar just by the way he said things did not want to own up to it only 1% what a joke
mongoosevsgt (1 день назад)
so in order to remove this insulation you have to remove the whole roof. gotcha. no problem! i will just go with the conventional air seal and using blown insulation.
freeman239 (2 дня назад)
Toxic foam that makes my home smell like fish, and gives me medical problems? Where do I sign up!
freeman239 (2 дня назад)
First sentence "won't you please think of the children!"
Scott Casinger (2 дня назад)
I wish I had seen this a couple of weeks ago. I just filled my wheelbarrow tire with Great Stuff. The same active ingredients as the spray foam seen in this video. My 15 year old son and I have to use this wheelbarrow every day to feed our family. I really hope I don't get sick. #soworrired.
Edgar Hernandez (2 дня назад)
Wtf why did he keep it in jars?
Hello (2 дня назад)
Febreez that hoe
Malcolm Adams (2 дня назад)
I watched until the second AD. Stop. I refuse to watch a YouTube videos with more than one advertisement.
Jab Ram (6 часов назад)
Youtube has advertisements? You're doing it wrong.
CKH2100 (2 дня назад)
The trail probably has more formaldehyde fumes than their house, lots carpet,  china furniture and mattresses i seen in the house - dumb dumb dumb
fasignal (3 дня назад)
I didn't even use vinyl siding
Zucadragon (3 дня назад)
I like how the company they visited tried to cover their asses instead of just taking the loss and fixing the problem. And with love, I mean it's a disgrace. Seriously, they claim there's better applications and that in certain situations, spraying foam isn't the best choice, but hey, they're gonna do it anyways because money. That's not how it's supposed to work, if the application isn't right, or there are more risks involved, an owner should be told that the job that's being asked for isn't suitable for spray foam appliance, the company should know better and in that case simply not do it. If they do spray foam in situations where even THEY claim it has risks, then if those risks end up causing problems, they should work on fixing those problems completely, not try to determine the minimum amount of work and effort required to hopefully, maybe fix it. No, set up a plan, we have determined that these are the problem areas, we will fix these areas, remove the foam, reapply if requested and if the problem STILL persists, than we will fricken continue fixing until the job is done perfectly. The company takes the job, they assume the risk of a botched result, not the uninformed consumer. You can't just assume that a consumer knows best, if you do that, you'll always end up causing problems at some point. It's just greedy negligence that causes these kinds of situations.
Paul Meier (4 дня назад)
Why would they use that without a vapor barrier and fiberglass is so much better and probably cheaper
Blah Blah (4 дня назад)
Straw, stone or clay gauranteed no side effects! Readily available and cheap as dirt.
Mike B (4 дня назад)
Old school wins again. (Well, don’t use asbestos.)
Ken Bell (4 дня назад)
I had one job where the foam encased a 1/2" copper plumbing pipe close to an outside wall in a crawlspace under a cottage. One bad winter the waterline burst and filled the crawlspace for months. No one knew. The poor folks had an expensive water bill but that wasn't the worst of it. The Spray Foam installer ECO, had used Open Cell foam in the crawlspace that acted as a sponge. One year later the foam, up to 16" above grade held water like a sponge. I could grab chunks from the inside of the foundation and squeeze a cup of water from from them. The folks asked what to do. I found the company and spoke with the owner. He admitted that they used the wrong foam and that it was a sloppy install but because it had been 11 years since the install he wouldn't do anything.
BO T (4 дня назад)
No way i would have my house filled with chemicals. The future dont have to be all syntetic 😲
Nick (5 дней назад)
Expert: "it's formaldehyde." Show Host: "are you scared?" Me: "you should be; you're on scare tactics."
Suzanne Ralph (6 дней назад)
Why can't slabs of foam, like used to make an ice chest, be used as an insulation?
Phil Wheeler (6 дней назад)
closed cell foam should not be in the attic, and should be put on the roofline.
Jennifer Chen (7 дней назад)
You don’t have to do it ....it not a requirement
JEK OFFICIAL (7 дней назад)
Sounds more like a horror story.
Cliff Walden (8 дней назад)
I was going to spray foam my motorhome but not anymore thanks for the information.
John Griffith (8 дней назад)
The comments below are more technically informational than the video itself.
Robert Duncan (8 дней назад)
Some contractors take advantage of others especially if they cant see what's being done.
Zento - Content (8 дней назад)
Who is watching this trying to sleep?
Alternity666 (8 дней назад)
Why is there a CRT TV in this house.
Rolands J (9 дней назад)
spray foam ... can you get something that is less sustainable? :D
Mark Myjak (9 дней назад)
I remember on the TV show Holms on Homes. The used that spray foam everywhere. It was expressed as the best thing to insulate your house. I always wondered what if some nothing needs servicing. Alot of work to access something buried in foam. And the gutsy applying the foam is wearing a haz-mat suit. Reds flags are up.
bobs hanery (10 дней назад)
Ill stick to old insulation that I can remove with my hands..thank you
Graysen Orth (11 дней назад)
Please don't ever use spray foam insulation. It makes it a nightmare to do any sort of work like getting to wires cables, the framing ect. It also can expand into areas that you don't want
Moo Moo (11 дней назад)
Total sensationalist hit piece.
Cristobal Carranza (12 дней назад)
I'd live in it
Troy Sanders (12 дней назад)
Is it just me??? I think the blame lies not with the installers.. But the manufacturer's of the F'n foam. The harmful chemicals is in the foam. I'ts poison!
shawn d (12 дней назад)
The guys roof is removed and he's actually contemplating doing spray foam again 😂🤣😂. Do a layer of foam board first as a thermal block then blow in fiberglass.
kalle boll (13 дней назад)
rockwell..like in sweden how hard can it be
Baby Boo (13 дней назад)
Use old fashion insulation.
Neat Gifts (13 дней назад)
Glad I watched this video. When this stuff first came out, my thoughts were, this stuff makes so much sense. Now, after this video... I'm never using it anywhere my family needs to breathe.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Probably because you can't afford it anyway .
EddieVBlueIsland (13 дней назад)
Ozone purifier would fix it.
Babuces Incubes (13 дней назад)
Foam insulation is designed for walls not ceilings and attic.
Babuces Incubes (12 дней назад)
+Leslie B If you say so!
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Kevin C (14 дней назад)
I'm glad the family in Canada got everything back in order and are now living in their home instead of the camper. That spray foam is not suitable to use. The business, if it's upstanding and cares about the safety of their customers, should remove all of it from any home where the owner is having a problem regardless of how much it costs. The customer is suppose to be right after all... aren't they. The business owner said that there are better types of foams used by others, so why doesn't he use it if it's better and safer?! He's courting danger with this stuff. I wonder how it responds to heat once it's applied?
Paul E (14 дней назад)
These are two-component products mixed together to create a reaction when sprayed through a metering pump. It's about 50% Isocyanurate(ISO) That stuff can cause a lot of health issues. Mostly to the installers. They have to be completely suited up to avoid direct contact with the ISO. People become sensitized to it which is like becoming allergic. It can cause severe rashes and severe asthma. Once you're sensitized it can mean trouble with any PolyIso foam products including furniture cushions and car upholstery. These are not DIY products. It takes training to be qualified to use them. There are a lot of variables that can affect the cure. Temperature/humidity at time of installation, thickness, and the ratio of the pump. If the pump isn't working properly you could have unreacted ISO in the foam that can be slowly released. When installed properly it is safe. Sounds like it wasn't done right and no QA inspections were performed. In my mind that hazards aren't worth the risk.
Fester Adams (14 дней назад)
CBS is all about selling ads, 5 minutes of content spun to a 20 minute show to sell 10 minutes of advertising.
blake102989 (14 дней назад)
"It's better for the environment" shows guy wearing full body suit and mask to apply it...
ega0117 (15 дней назад)
That company is bad business
Sonic Events (15 дней назад)
Formaldehyde is used in so many products we take for granted as safe such as food, clothing, carpets, soft furnishings and insulation. In the UK Kingspan and Celotex are insulation products made from extruded polystyrene that have formaldehyde as a mould inhibitor. I had both these products in my house and had to remove them. The extreme skin irritation they caused took 14 years to clear up after removal. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen and should be completely banned as it is in Japan.
crashk1955 (15 дней назад)
Endorsed by mike Holmes. Get him to make it right
Theresa Hahnel (17 дней назад)
Another concern that few people seem to consider is this product is very flammable! Yes it does contain a fire retardant, which will stop it from sustaining combustion after the source of heat (candle sized flame) is removed. The reality is an actual house fire, where the fire retardant will NOT stop the foam from burning out of control. In other areas where it is exposed inside the home, it is covered with a spray on thermal barrier. Usually lung irritating mineral wool, which would hopefully buy the occupants enough time to get out before the toxic smoke kills them. This stuff is basically like solidified gasoline, when it burns it releases a lot of heat. It uses oxygen very quickly , producing a huge amount of toxic black smoke which is also extremely flammable! It's bad enough the new home industry has been using vinyl siding for over three decades, which is the main reason multiple homes are lost when there is a house fire. Now with the addition of urethane type spray foams , most high intensity residential fires are becoming a house fire on steroids! UNSTOPPABLE, as water from a fire hose seems to repel right off of the melted, burning foam.
Theresa Hahnel (12 дней назад)
+Leslie B Intumescent coating is great for rim joists ect, these types of coatings are meant to keep the foam from igniting for a relatively short period of time. When an area like a basement for example becomes fully engulfed any fire retardant barrier will fail in short time, the urethane foam will add significantly to the fuel load . The toxic black smoke produced will result in a much quicker flash over. Same as drywall board installed over urethane foam in an attached garage, If a a mid sized suv catches fire in that garage , it is only a matter of time before that drywall fails and the foam is exposed. Most vehicles hold anywhere from 500,000 -1,000,000 btu's of gasoline, vehicles will typically burn completely in 20 minutes or less , fuel included. Add five or so cubic meters of urethane foam once the drywall falls down to make a terrible situation even worse, the entire structure will be a total loss, with an increased likely hood of multiple fatalities. Do you think intumescent coating would be 1. Easily and effectively applied over top of the spray foam in an attic area? 2. Would it be effective against fire spreading into the attic space through soffit openings (cardboard insulation stops)? , & bypass penetrations or flash over & failure of ceiling drywall in any room below the attic? Mineral fiber & intumescsent coatings are intended as fire retardants, to buy time. they are not fire proof coatings.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Never heard of dc315 ?
anthony perkins (17 дней назад)
Everyone that has this crap needs to get all the paperwork and get an attorney and sew them and sew for addition cost of the lawyer.
Nehmo Sergheyev (18 дней назад)
12:00 That's the Soyuz (spacecraft) not the International Space Station. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/elements/soyuz/spacecraft_detail.html
RetroX (18 дней назад)
Why didn’t they just remove the bad foam and then see if that fixed it? You don’t get a new car just because of a cracked bumper
Gee Trieste (18 дней назад)
For the right price, I would still buy it.
Jack Davis (19 дней назад)
This is the video you will need to take to your lawyer to put them foam fuckers out of business...smfh
John Holeman Jr (19 дней назад)
No one ever says anything about the recording studios that used insulation and asbestos to make the studio quiet. They are quiet alright. Real Quiet.
Jim Platter (19 дней назад)
Use the good OLD fashion pink Lyon fiberglass roll on insulation. It's worked for years about 60--65 years!
Matthew Otremba (21 день назад)
Live like your Great Grandparents , don't use these new things , or , eat foods that were not around then . Humans (girls and woman especially)put a lot of products on themselves , then wonder why their birth organs are cancerous ! Breast tumors , womb tumors . Teenage girls DOUSE themselves in beauty products , then use nail polish and remover (s) daily as well . HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Bruce Hart (21 день назад)
I would not have a modern chemical like that sprayed in my home with my children for any reason
Mr Scary (22 дня назад)
I think it is common sense that if you are spraying anything at all you should exit the house!! Think this way, Would you spray a can of raid in a room and sit in the room while you spray it and after?
Greg Yates (22 дня назад)
I think the contractor deserves some credit here. As a homeowner, I would have told them to remove that 1% today and maybe the surrounding area and we'll see if that fixes it. Only after that, demand full removal.Documentation all along the way from the contractor. There has to be a point of reason. Not having vacancy requirements in writing was definitely a fault on contractor, though.
Perverted Banana (23 дня назад)
I don't get why you would even waste your money on insulting the attic. Getting regular batting insulation would have been cheaper n just as good since it's only insulting the attic n the rest of the house isn't done or is done with spray foam.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Because spray foam is making the temperature of the attic similar to the house thus reducing the need to have the heat constantly on max. Fiberglass and rockwood does not
fishmonger (24 дня назад)
Who's product was used? All spray is not the same.
Man Of God (24 дня назад)
I'm glad I saw this video before considering spray foam in my attic
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
The video made you nothing wiser besides the fact that it was installed wrong lol
Gary Bond (24 дня назад)
So in a nutshell What I gather from some “expert sprayers here in the comments is and I could be way off but put off getting it done till cool weather sets in not in 120+ degree attic heat that way the chemicals can fully solidify hopefully avoiding any urea being over expelled throughout the home. I’ve used it in my bathroom and in cracks out side and never had odor and fume related sickness. A massive foam job like insulating an entire home done by untrained uneducated morons getting paid crap They just wanna get it done and done fast and on to the next. Spraying over pipes and wires should be the first side of caution these companies operate by. Otherwise lawsuits like these will become another court system nightmare overrun with claims that could be avoided with precautions and common sense
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Spray foam is not sprayed at room temp its computer regulated at a set temperature . It can be sprayed year round
Felix Vars (25 дней назад)
Be Smart and. Blow in cellulose insulation in the walls if still under construction and lay it on thick in the attic. Its also. Fire retardant
Ken Yh (26 дней назад)
I wonder if temperatures extreme heat and cold affects the products? Quansit huts are sprayed with it for garages and potato houses. Why does it not affect them?
Karl Kalli (26 дней назад)
"Let the buyer beware", hasn't changed .
Robin Wakker (27 дней назад)
Thats why in the majority of the world homes are built out of stones, not wood.
mohan sharma (28 дней назад)
Polyurethane Foam (PU Foam) Industry Present Scenario and the Growth Prospects with Forecast 2024 Get free sample report here: https://bit.ly/2QyCLMp The global polyurethane foam market can be used in modern houses and other commercial construction projects. Polyurethane foams can also be used to improve sound comfort and environment majorly in residential areas. Foam and non-foam PU are further modified by using surfactants. Hydrogen bonding also determines the properties of final PU product. Foam products are ecologically beneficial for constructed structures, as they help interior noise pollution levels.
cw Allen (28 дней назад)
I'm not going to wait 22 minutes for them to get to the point. Better just read the comments.
Mo Fatehzadah (28 дней назад)
This is one of those products that future home owners will have to remove like asbestos. I can only assume if there is a small water leak this product will hide the issue and could cause mold to grow freely until it is too late. The fact that the chemicals in this products stays active and become something other than you intended is reason enough to stay away. If the rate of error 1 in 100 that is 1000s of 1000s home in a city.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Chemicals does NOT stay active
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Wrong sorry you're just misinformed .
salman farooq (28 дней назад)
company is committing a crime
Markus Patients (29 дней назад)
My house was so drafty in winter. I wanted to do this but didn't have the money and I was to old and sick to do it myself. So I sold the house. I live in an apartment now and the person downstairs smokes cigars and weed and it comes into my space. I have to get them removed...
Greg Tanner (29 дней назад)
I want to see video footage of them removing the roof step by step
The Adams Guy (1 месяц назад)
Whats the use of getting home foamed can anyone explain to me please?
XRP Ninja Warrior (1 месяц назад)
Great informative video. I hope the liar whos owns the Spray foam company was sued.
powskier (1 месяц назад)
So the attic was previously insulated, I’m sure. Most likely fiberglass of cellos. So they sprayed over that? Seriously? Nobody does that? The spray foam is always the first layer.
joe bama (1 месяц назад)
whats a little cyanide off gas...
DreidMusicalX (1 месяц назад)
WOW! And I was just thinking of doing my new building I have been building with it. I think not now. Not until I know more of years of people being exposed to it.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Spray it by a good company and r fone
T. Tito (1 месяц назад)
**People do not realize that your entire skin pores absorb more then you would believe. Water from the tap. swimming or take showers you absorb more contamination chemicals through the skin pores. , what we fear the most, contaminated hazardous drinking water. or soak your hand in dish water, see if it swells and gets wrinkled which is a normal cause from absorbtion of water. then if proven we absorb more water through our pores in a shower then by drinking water stored in hazzardous plastic bottles,,, is it less poisonous then our own showers?, get my point**
Wucifer slayer (1 месяц назад)
why would a kid be still asleep at that time why wouldn't the good mother make sure jewly was out of the house
Old Yeller (1 месяц назад)
Have these people not heard of Fiberglass Insulation? I don't recall any stories of breathing problems, or illness from old fashioned "Pink" Fiberglass Insulation.
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
Because you're a moron
Old Yeller (1 месяц назад)
If they have to wear a suit like that to install the stuff, why would you want it in your home? I hope they sued and got millions.
Old Yeller (1 месяц назад)
Is this supposed to be a joke? Because that is how it is being treated.
ENG (1 месяц назад)
And i help some guy spray foam all i know is theres a lot of science involved and i dont even get to spray because i havent been trained and certified to manufacture the foam .
Eric Ulator (1 месяц назад)
13:25 -- "When the salesman was here, he MAY have mentioned [staying out of the house], but I don't recall"......But if it was in a pamphlet or in the fine-print, it would have stuck in his head -- What a joke!! A money hungry couple that disregard warnings, then sue because the lawyer said it wasn't in writing. I wonder what other instructions they ignored-- (the A/C temperature, leaving doors open/closed, going inside right after the foamers left, opening the attic to look at the work, etc, etc..)???? He seems like a guy who got a bunch of money from some frivolous lawsuit (worker injury, slip-and-fall, car whiplash, etc). He's wearing an "Ed Hardy"-type shirt to a news interview, haha. He can go in the house along with the news reporter, without a gas-mask/respirator ....But the wife needs one to open the door?!? LOL *Anyways, these two "parents" ran out of money and were trying to sell the house. The realtor told them to get spray insulation to increase the value of the home. They decided that they could keep the home if it was found to be noxious/uninhabitable, and they could sue the company for the money to pay off the loan....What a bunch of crooks!! They still lived in the home, but went in through the back doors to avoid the company's investigators. When somebody would come over to look at the issue, they sprayed foam in a jar and left it in the bedroom.* Foreclosure will make people do CRAZY THINGS!
dale hugill (1 месяц назад)
Remember it is man made it can't hurt you, ya wright it has not been around that long look at other stuff man made.
Ajax Ashford (1 месяц назад)
I would find a way to stray rubber over the top of it. Find a way to save your house
Ajax Ashford (1 месяц назад)
Need to have it tested before the job starts.
Ajax Ashford (1 месяц назад)
Can't the put a electric vent to pull vapor out of roof?
Stephen Salyer (1 месяц назад)
My neighbor had this done recently. They came out and stuck a tube down the top of the walls and blindly filled the walls.
Dale Slover (1 месяц назад)
Very informative, I believe they mention Troline,? Not as bad as I Tricolethean, but definitely a runner-up... really I feel sorry for these people,,, When we discovered in 2007 that the sheetrock that was coming from China where Tens of thousands of new homes for unlivable a lot of healthy people got awful sick, in a very short amount of time...
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
China does this on purpose, spray foam from Canada usa or east Europe
Bill French (1 месяц назад)
wont buy a spray foam house
Leslie B (13 дней назад)
You can't even afford it
Bill French (1 месяц назад)
never liked spray foam
Alto's Music Lab (1 месяц назад)
capitalistic society is about profit first and fast
HeadNtheClouds (1 месяц назад)
Yeah, spray foam,,, not a mess at all. It’s funny to spray it in somebody s tail pipe of their car. You must really hate this person though!
Don Duncan (1 месяц назад)
The owners need to practice "due diligence", e.g., read, study, and form a plan BEFOREHAND. They found out the hard way what can happen when they leave it to the "experts". That's good advice for anything in life. In the middle of this terrible experience they still haven't learned. He claims he doesn't know how he will insulate his new roof. What has he been doing? He's had months to figure this out. What's cheaper, insulating the roof before installing or doing it later? A foil-backed, more efficient foam (polyiso?) could have been installed before setting the roof.
Another cringy channel (1 месяц назад)
In my opinion SpiderElectron is not very compassionate over those peoples demise. Maybe they should spray his home the same way they sprayed this home. If I mis-understood your post, please forgive.
Richard Mills (1 месяц назад)
I would get a knife and start pulling it out

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