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HTML] NASA's EM Drive Thrust from the Forces of the Quantum Vacuum of Spacetime
MS El Naschie - Advances in Aerospace Science and Technology, 2018 - scirp.org
Building on the various manifestations of the forces latent in the quantum vacuum of
spacetime such as Hawking's radiation and Unruh temperature, we resolve a major paradox
connected to an immensely important proposal by NASA scientists for constructing a …
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[PDF] A Theoretical Justification of NASA Electromagnetic Drive based on Cosmic Dark Matter
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… 2010.  CW Wu: Comments on theoretical foundation of “EM Drive”. Acta Astronomica, 2008,
pp. 1-3.  MS El Naschie: The Cantorian monadic plasma behind the zero point vacuum
spacetime energy. American Journal of Nano Research & Application. 3, 2015, pp. 66-70 …
Scientists are correct. This EM drive shouldn't produce thrust *according to our understanding of the laws of motion and other physical laws.* The problem is we *don't* completely understand the laws of physics. There are a lot of things that we just don't know yet. It's very possible that one or more of these things we don't understand is allowing the EM drive to create thrust. Or maybe it's an error in the measuring method/device. But we need to keep working to determine which it is, error or unaccounted for law of physics.
i stay at my arguements with the math teacher (from when I was 16)
Quantumfysics is the basics for maths..NOT the other way arround...(I also prooved it by not willing to follow the mainstream-math-formula's...but taking my own point of vieuw and combined by the filosofic way of seeing maths, I prooved many times having the same outcomes ...and yes, I also always have wrote down how I found the outcomes ;) )
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International Journal of Engineering Innovation & Research
Volume 7, Issue 1, ISSN: 2277 – 5668
A Theoretical Justification of NASA Electromagnetic
Drive based on Cosmic Dark Matter
Mohamed S. ElNaschie
Distinguished Professor, Dept. of Physics, Faculty of Science, University of Alexandria, Alexandria, Egypt
ohh man stop blabbering about negative mass.. all you should be worried about is positive mass which is needed by your body.. or else you may extinct before this wrap drive or em drive comes into reality.
The answer is that space is not empty as everyone supposes, but in fact space is filled with particles that are coming and going all the time. Space and time are a product of the quantum gravity field which exists everywhere and all matter comes from the particles emitted from this field. The EM or Cannon drive, which ever one wishes to call it is like a sprinkler shooting out droplets of water verses a jetting blast of water, it produces a little steady push in thrust. In space this thrust will keep adding up to increase speed over time. No classical laws of physics are broken because they can not fully be applied to the dimension of quantum mechanics and their quantum field effects upon each other. When particles collide there are energies exchanged in the process and a pressure or repelling force of motion.
This is NASA starting the initial process that leads eventually to limited disclosure
None of this is new or relevant since we've had interstellar transport for decades but , how do you cover up the fact that you've been lying to the public since the 1940's
About that ship which was shown near the end of the video. When I first saw the drawings I had to laugh. Why? Because it is aerodynamic! There is no air in the near vacuum of space, therefore the design has no need to be aerodynamic. It could be any shape, heck even a cube. Hmmm... hasn't a cube been used somewhere?
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Does NASA mean it's going to disprove e=mc-sq or have they discovered a completely new physics
(or mybe they think a spaececraft and it's cargo can hold out for 10k; 100K or 1 mio years).
Does nasa mean it's going to disprove e=mc-sq
or have they discovres a completely new physics
(or mybe they think a spaececraft and it's Contentscan hold out for 10k; 100K or 1 mio years.
Nothing is possible, given time. But this is unrealistic
speculation given our present level of scientific advancement
oh well.. if something technology advanced is being tested as prototype - that a great news.. If its just talk - in 10-200 years somewhat will show up eventually. Just matter of the time actually. Anyway, back then (until early 20 century) no one will believed in space expedition and moon landing, so yeah...
why, are we not funding this? the micro wave engine kinda makes sense because light creates motion too and technically micro wave should be able to push as well. but microwaves are weightless... unlike light... so they should make a new engine called "FCK Newton" so it... doesnt make sense that it works.
they need to open their mind far beyond and dive into the ideas which seem impossible because there lies the answers. if scientists make fun of another scientist and their ideas then perhaps they should quit the science all together because that will get them nowhere
The reason they dont is because the scientific method works better than anything else we have. They tested it and it failed, thats that, no amount of open mind can change direct testable answers. Its ok to be open minded, but dont open it so much that your brain falls out.
Exactly. Scientific criticism is healthy but too much and you get a bunch of hot headed assholes with a thorn in their side and a grudge for winning arguments rather than working together to advance technology and the understanding of our reality.
Scientist and people in general have always done this throughout history, it will be the ones that do it anyway that create the next scientific revolution. Many things thought impossible in the past are now not only true they are taken for granted. I am excited about EM-Drive and Cannae Drive myself and hope it does work in space when tested.
The first "finding" propultion without pushing away from something(is not against newtons laws) was found over 20 years ago by Eric Laithwaite. He filed for patent in 1993, inertial propultion. Done by "mass transfere" with gyroscopes.
Here's a question, when traveling with a warp drive, how does time affect you? Would you be able to go to another star system without having the problem of time in light speed theory since you are essentially staying still?
Time is unaffected by warp its space that moves not the craft like surf board. Or passengers in a car. They just come along for the ride. Em drive on the other hand would cause time dilation of very low amount based on the speed given. If you went near enough to get any real significant time dilation you have .95%+ the speed of light. If you had 10x time dilation for 10 minutes it would for you only a minute. And, 4.2 years worth it would to you be 5 a month journey. If either of these work we can get to Proxima/Alphs/Beta Centauri and Bernard's Star in human time frames. And, with Earth like planet in the Proxima system we now have reason to test these theories out.
not sure if time would stop for you as it does if you go near or over the speed of light. since you're technically not moving. but at the same time you did move from point A to B so time had to have some effect on you. perhaps it stops for you while you're in the warp state.
A lot of people say stuff like this is impossible,but no,that is wrong,in the 1200s people were locked away in a cage from limited by there small understanding of physics and medical science,but we are a lot more advanced then them now and we have better understandings of physics,chemistry,quantum physics,and other things like that and we have made thing and done things thought impossible,now we are back in a cage,that cage is are current understanding of all forms of science but one day we will break out of that cage and then end up in another cage but with more space,once we finally know everything in every subject of science that is possible we will have finally broken loose from are cages and only be limited by what is possible in the universe.
Well we have a robotic space shuttle that already stayed up two years and came back landing by itself. Why not equip it with EM drive as an accessory, word is 8 hours to moon and approx. 38 days to Mars. You could deploy and retrieve satellites " small ones " and take some extremely good pictures with your DARPA gear...You could have GPS up and ready before sending people...Don't you just love Quantum Physics
Many things used to be theory,like the higgs.Most of the technology that we use today was once tought to be impossible.One should never assume that something is impossible to achieve.Did it happen? no,will we soon warp to proxima centauri? probably not,is it impossible? nothing is impossible.
Thats how it starts. An engine capable of making our entire solar system much more accessible to manned spacecraft. Then eventually we will build on that platform to go further and faster to reach deep space. Kind of exciting if we aren't plunged into WW3 first....
It couldn't go indefinetly, it would be limited by food supplies for human travel (lets assume autonomous phase0 to phase n so that it makes human travel that easier by autonomously with monitoring building infrastructure in the fisrst place) and when in DEEP space, we should have someting like solarcells but that use cosmic background radiation or cosmic rays as input
It doesn't make two shits what NASA or any government program achieves in the way of revolutionary breakthrough s because the more astonishing the discovery, the higher level of bullshit they will feed John Q. Public.
A demonstration is worth 1000 words, so, fire up a M-drive and let's watch it go! Same with the warp drive, program the ships computer, let's say to the moon and back in 1 hour and have cameras film the process! So easy! 🇨🇦😊
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Only a fool closes their mind to new possibilities, even if you think it's impossible. As a man who's died twice already, and by all accounts, shouldn't still be here, take it from me, ANYTHING, is possible. We cannot base all of science solely on our limited knowledge of it. Human arrogance is the biggest obstacle to overcome, not the so called "laws" of physics. Same goes for alien life...we cannot define life solely by our definition when we've already found life on earth in 600 degree water by volcanic vents, or breeding in drums of radioactive waste. Science needs a lesson from the other humanities, and open their minds to the thought that anything is possible.
LOL People saying they died are funny. They missunderstand the difference between actual death and a doctor making an assumption your dead because the method for determining death is not reliable. Lots of people can appear dead but wake up hours or days later.
people are really slow they make shows about this shit they been had this shit since Roswell all the down alien craft just go check out ur millitary aka air force in 2020 they colonizeing mars wake space travel been unlock the public just didn't no about NASA is ur fake space program the department of defense and the air force control the real space program
What the fuck is an "M drive"? You should pronounce it correctly. It's "EE EHM" Two letters. E and M. Not a single word "em". It's not warp. It won't even get you to geosynchronous orbit. It has a top speed of 256 mph due to Doppler effects within the resonant chamber.
I don't see what the big deal is. You can shove a car from the inside with inertia. Children do it with ride-able wheeled toys, scooting the things around with a back and forth motions. We don't see it in cars because our mass is so much less than that of the car we're in that it takes a tremendous amount of force to start it in motion.
The drive is very simple. You hit one side of it with more force than the other side. The difference gives you thrust. It costs electricity. There is no physics violations here. The hype is largely due to the absolute ignorance of reporters like you, and the gullibility of your viewers who repeat the ignorance en mass.
They pronounce it as M-drive because that is how it has been pronounced since 2001 by the original designer. Another example of ignorance is lecturing people on something that they are doing correctly but you aren't.
Particles CAN move faster than light...Neutrinos (also known as 'ghost particles') have been observed travelling faster than light photons in the same environment...HOWEVER, the maximum speed of light constant is measured in a pure vacuum, whereas neutrinos going faster than light do this in a medium such as glass or water, where light photons slow down significantly, include the decrease of speed from going through helium, oxygen, argon, and other atoms that exist in air (and don't in the vacuum of space), whereas neutrinos , called ghost particles because they are so small they pass through elements without interacting with the atoms already present (making them extremely difficult to detect and measure, neutrino detectors have been built at the bottom of deep mines so the neutrinos pass through miles of solid rock, filtering out other particles so the neutrinos can be detected) but since light photons slow down travelling through these same translucent mediums (air, glass, water), neutrinos can be measured as going faster than ambient light, but NOT faster than the absolute speed of light. B8!
A scientist who talks about the "vacuum of space" should be stripped off his degree and sent to a forced labour camp. It means he is a complete baboon who didn't read the basic greek science of 2500 yrs ago and still lives in the dark age of science from the day when the inquisition ruled the continent.
+MWiatrak So give me the meaning, cuz i think its rather common knowledge the term vacuum means exactly that, empty and void of any particles. If you have another definition of vacuum pls let me know. What does "space is a vacuum" means to you?
That's the ticket and why they are building an experiment to be carried out in space. The ISS will conduct the test to confirm whether or not the drive actually produces thrust in space, and on a personal note, when it does, I expect apologies from certain physicists or at the very least a comment saying that they were wrong.
The law of conservation of momentum still applies. It's just that the drive is interacting with the magnetic fields in the vicinity (I'm guessing). - According to the controversial plasma cosmology theory, the universe is shaped by electric and magnetic fields, with gravity playing only a support role. This sounds like a side-effect of that theory. - They should perform these experiments in the presence of strong external magnetic fields and see what happens. Also try different orientations relative to Earth's magnetic field.
rather it is complete or not i am glad the concept of moving faster than light is being explored and inevitably will work, this is very simple proof of what i have been saying for years, man kinds need to explore, go, see and touch will drive him/her into finding a way to pierce or circumvent(means go around) the so called light speed barrier. This is not a fantasy it is an inevitability. Want proof? look into history and look into how every single scientifically impossible to break barrier has been broken, flight, orbiting the planet,stepping on the moon,we can even turn a man or woman into the opposite sex now,every single thing i have stated here was an absolute impossibility by science. yet it has been done. it's just a matter of time till the next barrier is pierced ot gone around.
+Jerry C The amount of energy needed for the warp drive is also incredibly massive - on a level we don't have any clue how to harness. Beyond that, you need that massive amount of energy to be NEGATIVE energy. WTF is negative energy? Science only says it's not proven to be impossible for it to exist, but neither is it proven to exist, much less discovered.
+Jerry C We are still virtual infants in our understanding of the way the universe works, it would be nice to have ftl drives and explore the universe, what would our policy be if we came across a planet in say, the bronze age of development, should we be allowed to stop them from killing off the last of a species, say like the dodo, or each other, like Magellan's reported 'people with tails' in South America? or would we just observe? We have the ability to dream about exploring tge farthest reaches of our universe, and now they think the cosmic microwave background has proof of other universes, which of course we would love to explore, but how would you even step into a world with different dimensions, different laws of physics than ours? Perhaps we should consider alternate, farther ahead possibilities...perhaps machines will be outdated in a few hundred years and our conciousness..quick, think of looking at the Milky Way from far enough away that you can see the whole thing, there, you've just travelled 200,000 light years and back in the blink of an eye. perhaps we can teach our consciousness to move without our bodies. Just a thought.
+arron mullings I was thinking the very same thing. Though in the future I suspect that we will discover at least two additional methods of faster than light travel. One being the ability to create stable wormholes and the other being dimensional shift or hyper drive. Wormholes are nice because they allow instant jumps over massive distances, unfortunately the amount of energy required to create a stable wormhole would only be available at planetary locations to begin with, so spacecraft will still need FTL drives to explore beyond a base jump from home.
The EMDrive was proven to work by teams back when NASA claimed it was not possible to work, it has taken them way too long to adopt this tech available in 2000 thought up by a Brit, we should be asking, so what took you 15 years???
+yfzrider13 Because the inventor claimed it formed warp bubbles, so no one took him seriously at first, the Chinese built it and showed it worked somewhat, but it wasn't enough to convince the ESA it was worth trying out, especially since they knew NASA would probably make one too and NASA shares tech anyway, Space is a shared venture.
I already know who invented the concept, I have never claimed the Chinese came up with the idea, see the other comment I wrote on this video two months ago, about how a Brit came up with this in 2000, what I meant was the Chinese developed his invention into a working model first when no one else believed him. NASA only picked it up once it was proven.
NASA can't get off the ground anymore, for the 100 anniversary of the Wright Bothers flight the only thing that was flying at Kitty Hawk was 2 of my 36" slope kits built by a couple of kids. NASA had a crew that built a Wright Flyer there but it never got off the ground.
+cortster12 I am following the news for the EM Drive since a while. No technology could be a bigger game changer as this one if it becomes true.
The EM Drive would revolutionise the whole way of travel on earth and space and would be totaly disruptive technology for the actual economy.
One big point is that it would make solar power plants in space viable. Building them would solve our energy crisis. Therefore war loses one of it´s main drives. A complete free access to energy would nearly make the wars we face now obsolete.
So if someone were to warp drive to another planet outside the solar system and it will only take a matter of weeks to get there when the person comes back to earth would if feel like hes been gone for a long time since he travleled basically light years to another planet like to us it will feel like hes been gone for a very long time but for him it will feel like it was a couple of weeks due to warp drive since hes traveling faster than speed of light idk science confuses me
It looks like "Solar Warden" is handing secrets of the TR3-B to NASA, better late than never since the TR3-B has been airborne for decades. I actually thought NASA was to be scraped and "Solar Warden" would just carry on in secret.
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